tw & me

[tw]

Originally Posted by Dagney

1. Did TW not see that US troops were on the ground the day after the disaster doing what they could? ... Yes, our big battle groups may not have been there until later, but we were there helping, right away.
2. Does TW not realize that merely having a US military presence on the ground, daily costs an average of $10Mil US? (Gee, let's calculate, 7 Days, * 10 Mil = roughly 70 Million dollars...on top of the pleged 35 mil at first, that was then Increased to 350 Mil, that was then given pretty much a bottomless bucket, with Powell saying we'll give what they need...no matter what)
3. Has TW dug cash out of his pocket and offered it up to assist...or does he just take pot shots from the comfort of his easy chair?
4. You may not agree with Bush and his politics, hell, you may not even like him as a person, you may be holding on to a lot of bitter rage after the 'grand disappointment' in November, but damn man, 150K people died, and no, it was NOT President Bush's fault, so why don't you take a pill and stop trying to blame someone for an 'act of God'.

Correct. With thousands of troops but days away, instead we sent a paltry 6 C-130s and some recon planes. Since numbers are calculated to three significant digits, then 100 troops is the equivalent of zero. This in a region that contained thousands of Americans waiting - stifled - five days to help. The Marines that could have been there on day 7, instead, arrived on day 14. They too were delayed one week by a president who took five days to be humiliated into the truth.

Needed on day one was food, medicine, tools, and other aid that America could have been delivering that day. No one knows how many 10,000s died because aid never arrived. No one could have matched America's ability to save tens of thousands - if only the president permitted Americans to help. Instead George Jr stalled for a week. When both information and aid were most needed, then he who had full information and thousands of troops in the region, instead, sat on his righteous ass.

He never even told our allies how dire the situation was. They, with less information, had to mock America before George Jr would admit the obvious. George Jr just sat there until Thursday - after the world rightly humiliated us. We who had more in the region to send when it was needed most, instead, just sat on our ass. In the meantime, tens of thousands more died.

The first American response was costing about $6 million per day. So what? Why do you misrepresent the American contribution? The fact that George Jr only offered $15million says he would not offer help. The money demonstrates George Jr's mindset. The size of his pledge represents George Jr's mental attitude. He couldn't be bothered to pledge money if he denied a tragedy had occurred.

Why did the world redicule a paltry $15 million pledge? Was it because we did not pledge enough? Don't insult the world. $15 million says George Jr refused to acknowledge a Tsunami disaster for 5 days. If he was moral, then the Lincoln would have been dispatched that day - and no one would have been talking paltry money. It took redicule and humiliation to get the mental midget to admit a disaster. Ridicule of an immoral president started with his paltry $15million. The point - leadership of an immoral president.

Apparent, Dagney, you have not yet appreciated why a $15 million pledge was such an embarrassment. It basically said the 12 Indian Ocean nations, "Screw you. We have already decided your disaster is not significant". George Jr said that even with satellite photos sitting on his desk that said otherwise. Where is the morality from a man who could have parachuted pallets of emergency aid that day and had the USS Lincoln there but days later. How is it so moral to let thousands die for five days? Paltry money numbers represents the immoral mindset of a righteous George Jr. He could have pledged $1billion weeks later. It does not change the mindset of a "let them die" president.

Let them die? Its not our problem? How many ten thousands died because no help arrived for more than 3 critical days - in part because George Jr did not care. Where is the morality in that response? Those first three days were the most critical. George Jr sat on his righteous ass for *five* days. Where is the morality? The good and moral Christian response had to come from the rest of the world - when the world so accurately rediculed George Jr.

What was Powell doing while trying to clean up the president's mess? Probably again trying to get the president to get off his ass and be responsible. Behind the scenes, this again sounds like a frustrated Powell quietly appauled at this president's response. Powell had to spin something from no response. As was so obvious on Nightline with George Stephenopolis, Powell was representing a president who did nothing. The word used to describe Powell's 'no win' situation? He 'bristled'. We did nothing for 5 days. Powell again was stuck cleaning up the embarrassment.

Show me how a moral president could just sit there for 5 days and offer what is essentially no help (100 men is zero help when ten thousand were needed - but proves to extremist mentalities that the US responded).

There is no bitter rage here. You may think so because you don't like the facts. Clinton suffered same criticism when he bribed our local Congresswoman - MMM. But the devil gave us George Jr - benchmark for what is immoral.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Isn't it much nicer when you try to help people who actually want the help and don't shoot at you?

They'll be shooting at us once the ammo dries out.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm curious. Is there an option to filter/block messages by something in their body, for instance the phrase "mental midget"?

It's easy to do. Prove it to be otherwise. It is not an insult. It is the mental attitude of the man. He is a genius at politics. But as a leader - classic mental midget. Again, don't complain. Instead put up facts. Prove that this man makes inspired, responsive, and intelligent decisions. Prove that he does not empty a room so that he can ask Cheney what to decide. Without proof to the contrary, he must be a mental midget. Genius at politics and other devious accomplishments. Always makes for a great party. Never once ran a successful company. Cannot even admit to making a single mistake. And must be told what to decide. But prove this wrong. Prove he is not a mental midget.

[Dagney]

Actually, I'm having MUCH more fun watching you prove that you are TW....yes, yes indeed, MUCH more fun.

Good lord dude, you are a rabid bull dog on a slimy bone...give it up.

You're so far out of the box, you're knocking on it from the bottom.

Do you think, just by chance, that there is a slight chance that there was no IDEA of the amount of damage and destruction by day 1, and that things were going on behind the scenes to determine what needed to be done and how to do it?

Honestly, you want to know what I think? You hate Bush SO much, that you were going to latch on to the first thing you could to just parrot 'mental midget mental midget mental midget' so you could feel better about things. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

And I notice, that you still haven't answered the questions sent your way. Hiding the fact that you've not gotten off YOUR ass...what..21 days later and made a donation to the people who have died?

I do believe that would make YOU a hypocrite.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by tw

It's easy to do. Prove it to be otherwise. It is not an insult. It is the mental attitude of the man. He is a genius at politics. But as a leader - classic mental midget. Again, don't complain. Instead put up facts. Prove that this man makes inspired, responsive, and intelligent decisions. Prove that he does not empty a room so that he can ask Cheney what to decide. Without proof to the contrary, he must be a mental midget. Genius at politics and other devious accomplishments. Always makes for a great party. Never once ran a successful company. Cannot even admit to making a single mistake. And must be told what to decide. But prove this wrong. Prove he is not a mental midget.

Give three independant (non mainstream press thank you) sources backing up that he DID....if you can't....perhaps you should rethink your position - there has been ample evidence that the press doesn't always tell the 'truth'.

Ask Dan Rather.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It turned out that most other Western leaders were off on vacation too, as was Annan (who REALLY didn't return for five days).

Even Kofi Anon returned on day four when the UN finally understood the scope of this disaster. The UN only knows as much as what the victim countries could tell it. However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls? In the meantime, what did the president of Sri Lanka ask for? They desperately needed information that the president had on Sunday. By Geroge Jr's own words

I just got off the phone with the President of Sri Lanka, she asked for help to assess the damage. In other words, not only did they want immediate help, but they wanted help to assess damage so that we can better direct resources.

A responsive George Jr with those satellite pictures would have been on the phone Sunday. It took him three days just to place a phone call? Three days later and he finally decided to call nations desperate to comprehend what had happened?

The Indonesian Interior Minister acknowledges how desperately they needed information that George Jr had. Minister describes the first days as denial followed by days of panic. They needed aid and they needed information - fast. George Jr had both but offered neither for how many days? He never even bothered to call until three days later? What kind of ally is that?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Dagney

Do you think, just by chance, that there is a slight chance that there was no IDEA of the amount of damage and destruction by day 1, and that things were going on behind the scenes to determine what needed to be done and how to do it?

You tell me what the president did for those first three days. You looked at the satellite photos that the president had on day one. You tell me that is was not a disaster on a massive scale. Even back then in the first days, we were talking about 17,000 dead with the number to exceed 40,000. That alone is enough to dispatch the USS Lincoln right then and there. You saw those satellite photos. Town was not just destroyed. Land beneath the town was removed. Anyone with those satellite photos - ie a mental midget president - knew this was a disaster of the decade. But George Jr could not even make a phone call to offer help for three days. It may have been worse. It may have been the disaster of generations.

But George Jr could not even make a phone call for three days - having this information. He did same with PDB warnings of the WTC attack. He sat on it - or better still - he never bothered to read it.

Why would you defend a man who caused the death of 98,000 Iraqis - who intentionally lied about WMD, undermined the Oslo Accords, almost got us into a war with China, and even tried to blame Saddam for the WTC attack. This is a moral man? Dan Rather is, in comparison, a saint.

You cannot prove George Jr is anything but a mental midget. That is your conclusion. Fine. We agree. The term mental midget is an accurate depiction.

Just curious. Can he spell potato?

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by tw

Even Kofi Anon returned on day four when the UN finally understood the scope of this disaster. The UN only knows as much as what the victim countries could tell it. However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls? In the meantime, what did the president of Sri Lanka ask for? They desperately needed information that the president had on Sunday. By Geroge Jr's own words A responsive George Jr with those satellite pictures would have been on the phone Sunday. It took him three days just to place a phone call? Three days later and he finally decided to call nations desperate to comprehend what had happened?

The Indonesian Interior Minister acknowledges how desperately they needed information that George Jr had. Minister describes the first days as denial followed by days of panic. They needed aid and they needed information - fast. George Jr had both but offered neither for how many days? He never even bothered to call until three days later? What kind of ally is that?

I'd really like to know how you know absolutely without a doubt, barring the mainstream press the President didn't do anything.

What papers do you read dude?

Wait, don't bother answering, I'm just going to let you stew in your own juices, because nothing anyone says is going to get past your ignorance.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I have heard that India turned down help from the US Military. They only want civilian aid. I can't verify it, though.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Dagney

I'd really like to know how you know absolutely without a doubt, barring the mainstream press the President didn't do anything.

What day did the military finally get its marching orders? Thursday. This from the White House. The Lincoln was on scene two days later. The Marines finally arrived today. Why? George Jr finally made a decision last Thursday. For five days, nothing was dispatched. Timeline provides damning facts - dude.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by tw

It's easy to do. Prove it to be otherwise. It is not an insult. It is the mental attitude of the man. He is a genius at politics. But as a leader - classic mental midget. Again, don't complain. Instead put up facts. Prove that this man makes inspired, responsive, and intelligent decisions. Prove that he does not empty a room so that he can ask Cheney what to decide. Without proof to the contrary, he must be a mental midget. Genius at politics and other devious accomplishments. Always makes for a great party. Never once ran a successful company. Cannot even admit to making a single mistake. And must be told what to decide. But prove this wrong. Prove he is not a mental midget.

Just so we understand each other. I don't like Bush.

My question was more to the point of asking if there was some way to filter posts that have the phrase "mental midget" in them. There are times when you are able to make good posts, the only problem is that I'm tired of hearing that phrase.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls?

My link showed you were mistaken, but I'm sure your opponents will call it dishonesty or incompetence.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I have heard that India turned down help from the US Military. They only want civilian aid. I can't verify it, though.

India has a very special and careful relationship with the indigenous people on the islands of Andaman and Nicobar. For some unknown reason, they are very careful to protect these people from outside influences much like the Galapagos Islands are also protected. Is this where India may be rejecting foreign aid? I don't know details other than India is careful to limit outside exposure of these people.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

My question was more to the point of asking if there was some way to filter posts that have the phrase "mental midget" in them. There are times when you are able to make good posts, the only problem is that I'm tired of hearing that phrase.

I am tempted to call him the 'lovable' George Jr. A reference to hookers.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

My link showed you were mistaken, but I'm sure your opponents will call it dishonesty or incompetence.

Please cite the quote? Yes he did offer some C-130s and some recon planes. Yes, he did offer $15million - which according to your citation was upped to $35 million on day three after the first wave of criticism. IOW that still constitutes a near zero response - similar to George Sr's response in the five days after Hurrican Andrew. FEMA will never make that mistake again. But again, if you see something different, then cite it. Where did he do anything more significant than a few phone calls on day three?