Watergate's Deep Throat Revealed

[xoxoxoBruce]

In all, we are setting ourselves up for a future Nixon II who will have more unchecked power than any president in the 20th century.

Future??

[lookout123]

1) bruce - although i disagree with your conclusion that deepthroat is a hero, i appreciate your calm, rational post.

2) how many more ways can i say it? nixon is not a hero. he is not a good guy. he was crooked. he was evil and nasty. he was a used douche.

3) nixon being evil doesn't change my opinion of the methods that deepthroat chose to use. was there no politician, wannabe politician, other higher-up in any LE organization who was either A) honest, or B) personally motivated enough that deepthroat could have done the work in a more legitimate manner?

either way, folks, it doesn't really matter - it is just a matter of opinion. deepthroat did what he did, nixon fell, some lessons were learned until next time. politics has never and will never draw the best among us.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by lookout123

deepthroat did what he did, nixon fell, some lessons were learned until next time. politics has never and will never draw the best among us.

I don't know about that. People do learn. Germany learned it's lesson in blind obedience after Hitler fell. Someday we'll learn what to really look for in a leader when we experience one who turns out to be a disaster.

There are really good experienced politicians out there who could lead, if they thought that the American people were ready to listen and that they didn't have to sell their souls to major corporations to get there.

[lookout123]

there may be some good leaders in politics, but i haven't seen one yet. i believe the best leaders are in corporate america and they wouldn't touch politics with anything but their checkbook. if i was a real leader, with vision, and the ability to reach the summit... i just don't see how making yourself a target of every scumsucking political hack, wannabe journalist, etc. is worthwhile.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by lookout123

was there no politician, wannabe politician, other higher-up in any LE organization who was either A) honest, or B) personally motivated enough that deepthroat could have done the work in a more legitimate manner?

NO.
In order to do anything you need the assistance of the Justice Department or the congress. Neither were available until public opinion forced them into action. That's how corrupted the Federal Government had become under Nixon and how complacent the majority of the public was.

Remember it wasn't just Deep Throat's information, it had to be correlated with others.

Nixon was chased out but the corruption lingers and sadly the complacency grows.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Remember it wasn't just Deep Throat's information, it had to be correlated with others.

xoxoxoBruce makes a powerful point here. Deep Throat did not leak information. He simply did what others in government routinely do. They don't go on record, but are provided a copy of the story before it is published. These senior government officials may be a Cabinet member, the Vice President, a Fed Chairman, etc. They too may not leak the secrets. But when confronted with a story about to be published, they will admit to, deny, or refuse comment.

Deep Throat did same. One massive difference. Deep Throat was saving the US Constitution and the American government from corruption at the highest levels of government. Therefore he had to do covertly what senior government officials do overtly. Corruption so widespread that Mark Felt had no superior he could go to. Everyone above him was part of the conspiracy - either actively of tacitly. Those who criticize Mark Felt conventiently forget that fact.

To disparage Deep Throat is to say corrupt officials are always right - equivalent to supreme monarchs. This is the reasoning Nixon tried to use before the US Supreme Court when he refused to release the Watergate Tapes. A ruling that made the court so nervous that they considered the possiblity of a coup. Those who disparage Mark Felt conveniently forgot such details.

[wolf]

Around here it's more of a life skill.

[Ibby]

I agree, some of tw's posts are almost unreadable.

Second point: if Felt had other options, then clearly we are prosecuting intelligence operative in Abu Ghraid prision who ordered and condoned outright torture and murder.

I thiiiink that miiiiiiight have made some sense... maybe...?

tw, as I have said before, extreme left is no better than extreme right. There are multiple ways to look at issues, and Rush Limbaugh isn't the only person who often ignores facts presented right to his face. Many times, TW came right out and said, plainly and honestly (well, seemed honest to me), that you were wrong about his thoughts and ideologies many times, but you kept right on saying the same things about him being Rush and Bush's puppet.

Anyway, about the actual topic of this thread? Deep Throat is almost a god, for the exact reasons bruce described. I may not have grown up in that time period, but I've read my history books, and I know that what Nixon did is worse than what Bush has done in many ways. At least Bush honestly believes he's doing what's right...

And about the 18 1/2 minute gap... Has anyone ever heard Alice's Restaurant? Arlo has theorized that, well, there arent a whole lot of things exactly that length, and....

Originally Posted by Ibram

At least Bush honestly believes he's doing what's right...

In what world?
If that were true he would not lie about it.

[Ibby]

Well, I believe that he's dumb enough to think hes really doing what's right. I could be wrong...

I think he's dumb enough to think people don't see what he is doing... but that is about it.

I honestly don't think he makes decisions & I normally scoff at conspiracy theorists.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh he makes decisions all right, but the decisions are between 2 or three options that are carefully groomed and presented so he'll choose the ones his keepers want.
I seriously doubt, he knows the background or fully understands the consequences, of any decisions.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh he makes decisions all right, but the decisions are between 2 or three options that are carefully groomed and presented so he'll choose the ones his keepers want.
I seriously doubt, he knows the background or fully understands the consequences, of any decisions.

Emphasis mine.

From Bruce Almighty:

The newscaster is reading the script and the teleprompter, despite the obvious fact that it is utter crap.

EVAN
Ah, there we go. Sorry about that.
The Prime Minister of Sweden
visited Washington today as my
little tiny nipples moved to France-
Evan stops cold, staring at the teleprompter.
INT. TV STUDIO - CONTINUOUS
The Director in the booth reacts.
DIRECTOR
What did he just say? Check the
prompter.
The Console Operator checks the text being fed to Evan.
CONSOLE OPERATOR
It's fine.
DIRECTOR
Well, signal for him to keep going.

65.



-^ The Stage Manager motions to Evan, he reluctantly continues
/ reading.

INTERCUT TV STUDIO AND NEWSROOM MONITOR

EVAN
The White House reception committee
greeted the Prime Rib Roast
Minister and I do the cha cha like
a sissy girl...
(urged to keep going, so
continues slowly)
I lika do da cha cha...
In desperation, Evan shifts from the prompter to the paper
script on his desk.
EVAN
Sorry, we're having a few technical
difficulties, here...
(reading) *
In other n-n-n-n....n-n-n-n...

From the news yesterday:

“We're not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans,” Bush said.

Life imitating art.

If you're not mining the data, what the *fuck* are you doing with it? What do you call traffic analysis if it's not data mining?

That.