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05-31-2002, 03:46 PM | #61 |
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05-31-2002, 03:47 PM | #62 |
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I'm not sure if our leaders can really change the way they operate, given the way our government structure is. Taking all the coverups and conspiracies out of it, I wonder if Bush might have been more aware of the possibilities if he didn't delegate so much. And I wonder if he takes more of a lead now in the aftermath of 9/11, though that doesn't appear to be the case. |
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Why Do People Hate the USA?
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06-03-2002, 03:34 PM | #69 |
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If the answer is capitulating to anybody who might engage in nuclear terror against the US, I suppose we'd better get used to capitulating, because there's a *scrutload* of people out there willing to threaten that.
In fact, based on that philosophy, we should have surrendered to the Soviets back in 1962.
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That's what ticked bin Laden off, he figured that Hussein's invasion threat was his ticket back into the good graces of the Saudi rulers (who were his daddy's patrons) ,and when they decided the US was a better ally, he became an opponent of the Saudi regime, who subsequently froze his bank accounts and stripped him of his citizenship. Bin Laden assumed his personal army would be welcome in Saudi after the Afghan war against the Soviets (financed by the US and with the blessings of the Saudis, as well as the Pakis). Guess he was wrong....whoda thunk it? If the Saudis had decided that bin Laden would be their savior, imagine how *that* would have played out (however unlikely a scenario that would have been).
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Then you have to ask where did Saddam get his arms? Why us, of course. There is the problem, we are willing to pour money on anyone we think is on our side regardless of what they are doing to thier own people. And there is the answer to the orginial question...
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The vast preponderance of the stuff Saddam used on the Iranians, the Kuwatis and then on us was supplied by the Soviets, and paid for by the Iraqis themselves. On a tangent, it's fascinating how as time goes on, fewer and fewer of the people engaging in political discourse actually *remeber* any of the the Cold War, and how totally fscking scary it was. That's one reason 9/11 struck so many people to the core; we've routinely expected "thine alabaster cities" to remain "undimmed by human tears" ever since the US and the Soviets stepped back from the brink. But the psychological impact of living every day in the quite reasonable fear that a limited or all-out global thermonuclear exchange could happen at almost any time has to be difficult to fully comprehend for those who weren't around then.
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