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Old 10-20-2006, 02:10 PM   #61
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Exactly why I want to keep my guns, despite your warm-fuzzy do-gooder rant...because their victims aren't always other addicts; sometimes they're comitting robbery, rape, or burglary.
So you're a drug dealer? :p
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:12 PM   #62
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:29 PM   #63
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OK...how many three-year-olds shot themselves in Gladwyne this year?
The vast right-wing conspiracy media shadow government keeps those figures under wraps. You have connections - use them and find out for yourself.
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:38 PM   #64
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I thought it was the liberal media? What is going on here?! My head hurts!
Now I gotta' shoot sumthin'!
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:42 PM   #65
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Old 10-20-2006, 02:59 PM   #66
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:14 PM   #67
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Let's go shoot us a Sally!
Nancy! Mary! Gertrude!

See, this is how the shootin' gets out of hand!
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:25 PM   #68
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The vast right-wing conspiracy media shadow government keeps those figures under wraps. You have connections - use them and find out for yourself.
Oh, that's a much better application of Occam's Razor than "there weren't any".
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:27 PM   #69
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So you're a drug dealer?
No, but I could be in line as a target for rape/robbery/burglary. Although the TV appearances with the Pink Pistols probably reduce that probability a little.
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Old 10-20-2006, 03:32 PM   #70
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Does that change the point? Your fantasyland...

The only way to stop all this weapon related killing would be to remove handguns from the environment.
Which would be your fantasyland.

And as I said, I'm uninterested in a return to a world where bludgeons and knives are the only weapons (I'm not worried about that actually happpening, because what would actually happen is only the criminals having effective weapons). I only point it out to say that even if you could get what you say you want, it's not desirable.

Instead you're headed straight for 100% unintended consequences.
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:34 PM   #71
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You keep trying to conflate "gun related deaths" with violent crime against innocents.

How many of your "gun related deaths" are two drug dealers shooting at each other over money or territory? Who won't be deterred because "guns are illegal" any more than they are by "drugs are illegal"?
For instance, 34 of 46 (74%) registered school shootings all over the world between 1996 and 2005 happened in the US. And the 3 last ones weren´t even included. This gives an indication already.

The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.

American kids are nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.

The National School Boards Association estimates that more than 135,000 guns are brought into U.S. schools each day.

You want us to believe that all these kids are drugs criminals?

PS I see MaggieL´s fetish with Occam´s Razor is almost equals to TW´s thingie with Rush Limbaugh...
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Old 10-20-2006, 05:27 PM   #72
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You want us to believe that all these kids are drugs criminals?
Perhaps not all. But certainly most of them. They're not getting shot for their lunch money. Ever been in an urban US public school?
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Old 10-20-2006, 05:33 PM   #73
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The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.

American kids are nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.
How exactly are you adding rates to get these "combined" numbers?

Please source your statistics (and "The Brady Campaign" isn't a source). I'd like to see percapita numbers, not relative rates. (Especially if you think they can be validly "combined".)

For example, in 2001 there were 21 accidental fireams deaths for US children under 15, compared with 2,100 drownings.

Go read the Gun Facts book; all their stats are sourced. Free download from http://www.gunfacts.info
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Old 10-20-2006, 05:35 PM   #74
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I'm curious which 25 industrialized countries we're discussing as well.
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Old 10-20-2006, 08:54 PM   #75
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Couple of points;

I think you'll find the majority of firearm deaths in this country take place in urban (low gun density per capita) rather than rural (High gun density)locations.

More shootings than the other industrialized nations? Well, we do have 300,000,000 people here.

Those 115,000 guns brought to school, (not to mention other weapons) are to convince the predators they are not prey. I'm not supporting the idea just explaining.

Saddam passed out AK-47s, when? Baghdad violence increasing, when? Non Sequitur.

If UG keeps posting, I may have to change positions.
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