Which is worse, booze or pot? - Page 5

Toymented · 03-20-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

But, if I drink a beer that does not make me an alcoholic, if I smoke one cigar a week I am not addicted to tobacco, if I play the lottery once every two weeks so I can dream about "what if" for a week for fun with my wife I am not a gambling addict, if I bungee jump once in a while at the fair because I like the thrill I am not an adrenaline junkie, and if I steal low value items or small amounts of money every now and again consciously I am not a kleptomaniac.
If everyone who does not think like me is "bad" I am an ass.

And even better with pot, eh? You can smoke like an old Rambler and not even approach addiction.

Sundae · 03-20-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I'm finding it very strange that many in here seem to think that if someone smokes pot at all they are a "stoner". Makes no sense at all and not what I have experienced.

I know that I used the term, but I wouldn't consider anyone who smokes to be a stoner. To me it is a slightly tongue in cheek label for someone to whom smoking is the most important thing in their life. I wouldn't call anyone who had a glass of wine a lush, but I might use the term affectionately to describe someone who drank a lot.

monster · 03-19-2007, 10:34 PM

I can't compare -one works for me, the other doesn't -I guess the one that doesn't is better for society ....or maybe not

Clodfobble · 03-19-2007, 11:38 PM

They both pretty much suck, IMHO.

BUT...

Beer : wine coolers :: pot : "chick pot"

The day they invent chick pot, I might be on board.

Aliantha · 03-20-2007, 12:48 AM

Alcohol is a huge problem in society as most seem to have acknowledged through the course of this thread.

They tried banning it once and look what happened. Then they legalized it and keep on tinkering with the rules for consumption etc and yet there is still a problem.

Why would anyone think that if a drug like marijuana were legal there'd be no problems or at least, there'd be less than there are with alcohol?

Both are drugs, and there will always be people who abuse substances legal or not. The biggest benefit to legalizing pot is for the government, so think twice before you go ahead and agree it'd be a good thing.

bluesdave · 03-20-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Both are drugs, and there will always be people who abuse substances legal or not. The biggest benefit to legalizing pot is for the government, so think twice before you go ahead and agree it'd be a good thing.

Absolutely right on. I voted pot, but I agree that any substance that is abused, is not a good thing.

Wolf, you have medical training, what's the amount of water that is lethal, if consumed in one sitting? I think it is something like 10 litres (over 2 gallons), but I am not sure of the number. Let's ban water.

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

They tried banning it once and look what happened. Then they legalized it and keep on tinkering with the rules for consumption etc and yet there is still a problem.

Why would anyone think that if a drug like marijuana were legal there'd be no problems or at least, there'd be less than there are with alcohol

Banning alcohol was an unmitigated disaster. Legalization was unambiguously the right thing to do. Why would weed be different?

Aliantha · 03-20-2007, 01:42 AM

It's gotta be more than 10 litres. they make you drink that much for your first ultra sound when you're pregnant.

wolf · 03-20-2007, 01:43 AM

I think I looked up the water intoxication numbers before, but I can never keep that particular bit of information in my head. It keeps getting crowded out by things that are infinitely more important, like Star Trek Trivia.

bluesdave · 03-20-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I think I looked up the water intoxication numbers before, but I can never keep that particular bit of information in my head. It keeps getting crowded out by things that are infinitely more important, like Star Trek Trivia.

Since you have raised the topic, have you heard of the new Star Trek movie that is being made by ST fans with the support of couple of old cast members? I'll have to try to find the link, but I suspect it has gone. I think George Takei and/or Walter Keonig is supporting it.

bluesdave · 03-20-2007, 02:03 AM

I could not find a movie, but there are some "guys" writing gay episodes of Trek: http://www.newvoyages.com/. I don't know if this is the same group of people that I was referring to.

wolf · 03-20-2007, 01:48 AM

Lethality results from more than two gallons of water per day (so you are correct on that score) with there being more input than output.

03-20-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Lethality results from more than two gallons of water per day (so you are correct on that score) with there being more input than output.

When I worked on the ranch I drank more than that before noon.

One of those who is a member of the AMA study and still smoking several marijuana cigarettes a day still works as a very successful stock trader.

wolf · 03-20-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

When I worked on the ranch I drank more than that before noon.

The key is that input needs to exceed output for there to be a problem ... if you're sweating or peeing out an equal volume of your intake, you'll maintain homeostasis. Too much output, too little input, dehydration. Too much input, too little output, water intoxication and your blood chemistry becomes too dilute to sustain bodily functioning.

Aliantha · 03-20-2007, 01:53 AM

I knew they were trying to kill me!

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03-19-2007, 10:34 PM	#3
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I can't compare -one works for me, the other doesn't -I guess the one that doesn't is better for society ....or maybe not __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-20-2007, 12:48 AM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Alcohol is a huge problem in society as most seem to have acknowledged through the course of this thread. They tried banning it once and look what happened. Then they legalized it and keep on tinkering with the rules for consumption etc and yet there is still a problem. Why would anyone think that if a drug like marijuana were legal there'd be no problems or at least, there'd be less than there are with alcohol? Both are drugs, and there will always be people who abuse substances legal or not. The biggest benefit to legalizing pot is for the government, so think twice before you go ahead and agree it'd be a good thing. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-20-2007, 01:42 AM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It's gotta be more than 10 litres. they make you drink that much for your first ultra sound when you're pregnant. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-20-2007, 01:43 AM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I think I looked up the water intoxication numbers before, but I can never keep that particular bit of information in my head. It keeps getting crowded out by things that are infinitely more important, like Star Trek Trivia. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-19-2007, 11:38 PM	#4
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	They both pretty much suck, IMHO. BUT... Beer : wine coolers :: pot : "chick pot" The day they invent chick pot, I might be on board.

03-20-2007, 02:03 AM	#11
bluesdave Getting older every day Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 308	I could not find a movie, but there are some "guys" writing gay episodes of Trek: http://www.newvoyages.com/. I don't know if this is the same group of people that I was referring to. __________________ History is a great teacher; it is a shame that people never learn from it.

03-20-2007, 01:48 AM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Lethality results from more than two gallons of water per day (so you are correct on that score) with there being more input than output. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-20-2007, 01:53 AM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I knew they were trying to kill me! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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