why do men kill their families? - Page 5

Shawnee123 · 01-30-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

I don't think I want to see them get away with it either. Not only do you have to be crazy, you have to be an asshole. Yes, that is my professional opinion. lol!

I mean- didn't you guys see, "the shining?"

What an asshole.

lol...yeah. What a jerk!

Aliantha · 01-30-2009, 10:26 PM

Anyone who kills their own family has to have something wrong in the top paddock. Whether it's that they're 'clinically insane' or have some other kind of permanent or temporary mental issue doesn't make much difference.

When they're charged with the crime, it's up to the prosecution to prove them guilty of it. It's up to the defense to explain what sort of 'insanity' overtook them at the time of the crime.

After that it's up to the jury.

wolf · 01-31-2009, 01:44 AM

One of my first, very memorable, patients was a guy who had killed his family. Young adult, early 20s, first schizophrenic break.

This dude was crazy, crazy. Seriously so. He had been telling his family for weeks that he knew they had been replaced by demons. IIRC, he let them know what he intended to do about this.

The family had the opportunity to get him committed. They did not do so.

He murdered both of his parents and seriously injured his brother. The brother somehow managed to make it out of the house and get to a neighbor's who called the police.

The police or the prison ultimately did the commitment papers.

He did not know what he was doing.

That's the kind of case that Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity is made for. He is still hospitalized (not at my hospital. We don't do long term like that). He is still psychotic, even with medications. He will likely never be released from the hospital.

I know another guy, about the same age, maybe younger. His mom was a really nice lady. Had to come in every couple of months and get him committed because he'd be threatening her. So ... one day, when he wasn't psychotic, they had some kind of an argument. I think it may have been over a videogame of some kind.

He killed her, stabbing her 17 or more times, concealed the body, and was only found out because about a week later he was seen by a relative driving her car around town, and the relative knew he wasn't allowed to drive the car. He knew what he was doing, and tried to cover up his crime. Insanity defense wasn't even considered.

Shawnee123 · 01-31-2009, 11:32 AM

Natural progression...next stop, stabbing:

classicman · 01-31-2009, 11:40 AM

He is an adult - move his shit out on the lawn.

Shawnee123 · 01-31-2009, 11:42 AM

Agreed!

Sundae · 02-06-2009, 11:45 AM

I have to say I agree with Dana in that specific quote.
Humans are animals.
What separates them from the other species?
Delusions of grandeur.

wolf · 02-06-2009, 12:06 PM

My last teenager ...

Kid hostile toward parents, busts up some stuff in the house.

Parents, in an unusual move take computer and television out of kid's room.

Kid comes home from school to discover this.

Kid threatens and hits parents.

Parents come to nuthouse.

Parents write papers.

wolf's boss signs papers (they came before I got there).

Hoopde with a bed in the back brings kid to nuthouse.

Shrink talks to kid.

Kid gets to stay in nuthouse.

the end.

isn't that a cute story?

This is not the first time I have seen this exact situation replayed.

classicman · 02-06-2009, 12:20 PM

:giggles: at OC, Dana & SG

And here I thought humans were animals all this time. The stuff you learn on the internet.

Sundae · 02-06-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Humans are animals..

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

:giggles: at OC, Dana & SG

Laugh it up fuzzball...

classicman · 02-06-2009, 12:43 PM

See, Now that made me LOL OL!

HungLikeJesus · 02-06-2009, 01:11 PM

Humans aren't animals? That confused me.

I thought humans are mammals, as are cows and dogs, etc. Are they not animals either?

Aliantha · 02-06-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Humans aren't animals?

We must be plants then, although I've known a few humans who'd pass for rocks and other geological structures.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-06-2009, 01:16 PM

Animals as in not being able to control our instincts.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-06-2009, 01:27 PM

Hmmm...

01-30-2009, 10:26 PM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Anyone who kills their own family has to have something wrong in the top paddock. Whether it's that they're 'clinically insane' or have some other kind of permanent or temporary mental issue doesn't make much difference. When they're charged with the crime, it's up to the prosecution to prove them guilty of it. It's up to the defense to explain what sort of 'insanity' overtook them at the time of the crime. After that it's up to the jury. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-31-2009, 01:44 AM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	One of my first, very memorable, patients was a guy who had killed his family. Young adult, early 20s, first schizophrenic break. This dude was crazy, crazy. Seriously so. He had been telling his family for weeks that he knew they had been replaced by demons. IIRC, he let them know what he intended to do about this. The family had the opportunity to get him committed. They did not do so. He murdered both of his parents and seriously injured his brother. The brother somehow managed to make it out of the house and get to a neighbor's who called the police. The police or the prison ultimately did the commitment papers. He did not know what he was doing. That's the kind of case that Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity is made for. He is still hospitalized (not at my hospital. We don't do long term like that). He is still psychotic, even with medications. He will likely never be released from the hospital. I know another guy, about the same age, maybe younger. His mom was a really nice lady. Had to come in every couple of months and get him committed because he'd be threatening her. So ... one day, when he wasn't psychotic, they had some kind of an argument. I think it may have been over a videogame of some kind. He killed her, stabbing her 17 or more times, concealed the body, and was only found out because about a week later he was seen by a relative driving her car around town, and the relative knew he wasn't allowed to drive the car. He knew what he was doing, and tried to cover up his crime. Insanity defense wasn't even considered. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-31-2009, 11:32 AM	#4
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Natural progression...next stop, stabbing: Attached Images __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-31-2009, 11:40 AM	#5
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	He is an adult - move his shit out on the lawn. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-31-2009, 11:42 AM	#6
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Agreed! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

02-06-2009, 11:45 AM	#7
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I have to say I agree with Dana in that specific quote. Humans are animals. What separates them from the other species? Delusions of grandeur. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

02-06-2009, 12:06 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	My last teenager ... Kid hostile toward parents, busts up some stuff in the house. Parents, in an unusual move take computer and television out of kid's room. Kid comes home from school to discover this. Kid threatens and hits parents. Parents come to nuthouse. Parents write papers. wolf's boss signs papers (they came before I got there). Hoopde with a bed in the back brings kid to nuthouse. Shrink talks to kid. Kid gets to stay in nuthouse. the end. isn't that a cute story? This is not the first time I have seen this exact situation replayed. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-06-2009, 12:20 PM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	:giggles: at OC, Dana & SG And here I thought humans were animals all this time. The stuff you learn on the internet. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-06-2009, 12:43 PM	#11
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	See, Now that made me LOL OL! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-06-2009, 01:11 PM	#12
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Humans aren't animals? That confused me. I thought humans are mammals, as are cows and dogs, etc. Are they not animals either? __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

02-06-2009, 01:16 PM	#14
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Animals as in not being able to control our instincts. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-06-2009, 01:27 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	why do men kill their families? Hmmm... Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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