WikiLeaks

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Brianna

funny how old sweetie pie pants showed up just when she did...weird.

Maybe she has that notification thing monnie was talking about in another thread. Remember that? Like if someone is calling you an asshole, you get an email.

Originally Posted by DanaC

I don't see why Ali's been dragged into this tbh.

There is no reason Dana. Not a valid or good one anyway.

[DanaC]

*thinks*

I have some mixed feelings about this. My instinct is generally to support the whistleblower. My general view of wikileaks is that the people involved are performing a necessary and important civil act.

That said: I also believe that ambassadorial and diplomatic communiques are a special case. The channels of communication between various governments really need to stay open and viable for the good of all.

So... some of the stuff that's been published I think is very valuable and shines a light onto practices and attitudes amongst our governing elites which require fundamental change. Other stuff, and quite a lot of this recent material just stirs the pot unnecessarily and without adding to the public good. At the same time it introduces an element of mistrust in those channels of communication and potentially an element of mistrust between the different parties themselves.

[Shawnee123]

No, see, that doesn't work: Henry showed up not because of some miraculous email notification system or ESP. He came around when I told him what an ass you are. He just couldn't help himself.

(You know WAY better, you just like to pretend and cry.)

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

No, see, that doesn't work: Henry showed up not because of some miraculous email notification system or ESP. He came around when I told him what an ass you are. He just couldn't help himself.

(You know WAY better, you just like to pretend and cry.)

Yeh I know monnie was full of shit when she made that claim and I was pretty sure you cried to ole henry about what a dick I was being.
Thanks for confirming that monnie lied. Not that I needed it nor any validation from you.

[skysidhe]

Thanks for the board member links Stormie.

I started research yesterday and only got as far as manning, so I appreciate the work there.

[Shawnee123]

You thought she was serious? Wow, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed by a long shot, are you?

An email notification when your name gets mentioned. Bwaahahahahaaa...yeah, you thought that was real. Just like your feigned innocence (one trick: two ponies) of why Henry showed up.

Man, you pots call kettles "liars" and "off the rockers" an awful lot, don't you?

Oh, I didn't cry to Henry. I merely laughed at what a dickhead you are, and he responded because he was in complete agreement over your dickheadedness (though his words were for sure more eloquent and encompassing than mine.) We had quite a chuckle over the steam rising out of your ears and your sputtering and flailing.

Not to mention your admission of your various stalking activities. Creepy. *shudder* You look worse by the minute!

[piercehawkeye45]

It's just like a personal relationship. While open communication is preferred and best in most cases, there are just some things that are best kept to oneself for the relationship's sake.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The more I read, and correlate it my head, the more it seems my initial anger at this insult was disproportionate to the actual damage done.

However, I'm still offended by this foreigners insult to the US, and if I ever meet him, he's in deep shit.

[Stormieweather]

And....something useful may come of this:

Whistleblower Bill

[classicman]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

It's just like a personal relationship. While open communication is preferred and best in most cases, there are just some things that are best kept to oneself for the relationship's sake.

Great analogy.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The more I read, and correlate it my head, the more it seems my initial anger at this insult was disproportionate to the actual damage done.

This is apparently on the tip of the iceberg there is more coming. Just sit and stew on it for a bit.

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

And....something useful may come of this:

Whistleblower Bill

That'd be nice. I wonder if they pay as well

[classicman]

Michael Yon's piece was reposted today.
I think there is a lot of validity in what Sec'y Gates has to say.

One of the common themes that I heard from the time I was a senior agency official in the early 1980s in every military engagement we were in was the complaint of the lack of adequate intelligence support. That began to change with the Gulf War in 1991, but it really has changed dramatically after 9/11.

And clearly the finding that the lack of sharing of information had prevented people from, quote/unquote, "connecting the dots" led to much wider sharing of information, and I would say especially wider sharing of information at the front, so that no one at the front was denied -- in one of the theaters, Afghanistan or Iraq -- was denied any information that might possibly be helpful to them. Now, obviously, that aperture went too wide. There's no reason for a young officer at a forward operating post in Afghanistan to get cables having to do with the START negotiations. And so we've taken a number of mitigating steps in the department. I directed a number of these things to be undertaken in August.

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[Aliantha]

I 'showed up' because I was never away. Just because someone doesn't post doesn't mean they're not reading stuff.

I'm pretty sick of your bullshit Brianna. Clearly, plenty of others are too. I've not said one word to you which could be in any way construed as nasty or malicious for over a year and probably more like two. I just don't know why you have to hold onto this grudge you have against me. It's not healthy and it serves no purpose.

Really, seriously, how long are you going to keep this up for?

[skysidhe]

damn, that silent e. Now it's invisible too!

[Big Sarge]

The soldier violated UCMJ & US Title 18 when he transferred classified documents from SIPR to NIPR. Wikileaks employees/board members can be charged as accessories after the fact or for the actual distribution of classified documents (many of these were SECRET//NOFORN). Jurisdiction was established when the soldier transfered the data from TOC or SCIF and it is regardless where the physical location of recepients was.

In other words, they are in very deep shit.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

In other words, they are in very deep shit.

As should have everyone involved in leaking the Pentagon Papers.

How screwed up is security when a Private in Afghanistan has access to all Pentagon and State Department cables. If he could do it, then they were not secret. And so the question is how many other countries were reading this stuff before WikiLeaks got it.

Most of the stuff I have been reading is basically common knowledge. Material only confirms what most already knew. The real Secret stuff was withheld. In reality, "Secret" means virtually anyone has access. Truely secret material starts at higher security ratings. Those are being withheld by WikiLeaks.

Once we eliminate hype, well, the world is now viewing international politics in a new light. The world now has a better idea which countries have been lying and which ones were actually being honest. For many nations, this means increased credibility.

If prosecuting anyone, start with the fools who simply gave everyone access to everyone - including a US Army Private in Afghanistan.

Reported was that China probably has every plan for every American nuclear warhead. When the accusation was made, it sounded preposterous. If a Private in Afghanistan has access to all this, well then yes, China probably does have all those weapons plans.

Who is trying to divert attention by hyping blame upon Wikileaks?