"She", not "he", guys

[regular.joe]

Originally Posted by regular.joe

Vote number 2 in favor of Henry Quirk as "Troll of 2012". Still a long way to go on the year, he may out do himself, or another semi dweller may up the ante before Xmas. I reserve the right to vote again later in the year.

That is humor, you may recognize that.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Nor do I think it's fair to all wade in if another poster decides he's going to tear into Ib's sense of self in such a crass and demeaning manner as this thread.

Original post for comparison.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If he has a penis, is genetically male, then -- despite *self-definition -- he is 'he'.

Yes? No? Opinions?

*that Ibram self-defines as 'girl' is fine by me; that he believes any one else is obligated to address him as a girl (for no other reason than because he wants it that way) is absurd.

Perhaps you read into that OP something that I didn't. I wouldn't define it as crass nor demeaning. But hey, thats just my opinion.

[footfootfoot]

Ibs doesn't need to grow a thicker skin, he seems to be getting all the attention he wants with his current M.O.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Ibram

all you cunts who refuse to take the time and add one little letter to your pronouns are ONLY doing it to be unpleasant little bitches and get a rise out of me. it tends to work. congrats.

I'm going to tell you right now, I have accidentally given you the wrong pronoun in the recent past and will almost certainly do so in the future, though I am trying not to.

Ask yourself this: why do you feel the need to live as "Erica" in the real world now? Why not keep using your old boy name? It's because names matter. They are part of our identity, the most fundamental indicator of our identity, more important than anatomy or behavior. You have chosen to change your identity in real life, and correspondingly change your name in real life. You have chosen to change your identity online... yet keep your old name online... then get pissed when people can't remember? It's not like your username is Starcatcher or some androgynous bullshit. Ibram is a real name, and a culturally male one. How come you don't just expect your real life friends to remember that J***** is now a girl's name?

Register under Ibica. Or whatever you want. You need a new signifier for your new identity. Do it today. Please.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

As to ibs, I really don't know. This is new subject matter for me. This is why I stated earlier that understanding would better come from explanation and discussion rather than reaction and name-calling. I get a bit turned away when someone scolds me like I'm a child for not making the conscious decision to start calling someone I've known as a 'he' for years a 'she.' I might be confused and trying to understand, but admonishing me for not getting immediately with the program isn't going to turn my head.

Get OUT of my head!

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Ibs doesn't need to grow a thicker skin, he seems to be getting all the attention he wants with his current M.O.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Register under Ibica. Or whatever you want. You need a new signifier for your new identity. Do it today. Please.

Good ... VERY good.

[Ibby]

As far as I know Ibram isn't a real name. And there's a big difference between people accidentally doing it and people making the choice not to. They and I know when that is. When i said "all you cunts who refuse" i don't mean the ones who aren't making the CHOICE to refuse.

[infinite monkey]

So sayeth...

[henry quirk]

If I demand to be called 'Lord God Quirk', will you comply?

I'm no more a 'lord' or a 'god' than Ibram is a woman, but his demand is complied with, so, why not mine?

Because to do so makes you a liar and a bit of an idiot.

So, if you lie and engage in idiocy calling me 'Lord God Quirk', then, maybe, you lie and engage in idiocy calling a 'he' a 'she'.

But: do as you like...I certainly will.


And: If Ibram is secure in his self-definition, then it shouldn't matter if some jackass refuses to call him 'her'.

That he is so offended by my lack of compliance says a lot about his insecurity, and, if he 'is' so insecure perhaps he should have kept the self redefining under wraps till he could stride forth in nylons and not give a damn what any one has to say.

*shrug*

[Lord God Quirk]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If I demand to be called 'Lord God Quirk', will you comply?

I'm sorry. That user name is in use.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If I demand to be called 'Lord God Quirk', will you comply?

I'm no more a 'lord' or a 'god' than Ibram is a woman, but his demand is complied with, so, why not mine?

Because to do so makes you a liar and a bit of an idiot.

So, if you lie and engage in idiocy calling me 'Lord God Quirk', then, maybe, you lie and engage in idiocy calling a 'he' a 'she'.

But: do as you like...I certainly will.


And: If Ibram is secure in his self-definition, then it shouldn't matter if some jackass refuses to call him 'her'.

That he is so offended by my lack of compliance says a lot about his insecurity, and, if he 'is' so insecure perhaps he should have kept the self redefining under wraps till he could stride forth in nylons and not give a damn what any one has to say.

*shrug*

Your archaic views on gender identification are showing...still.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Ibram

As far as I know Ibram isn't a real name.

Sure it is. A less common shortening of Ibrahim, and more often a last name, but definitely a male name of Hebrew/Arabic origin. Type it into Google and it suggests at least three famous people with the first name: prolific black rights professor Ibram Rogers, painter Ibram Lassaw, and a well-known fictional character, Ibram Gaunt from Warhammer. It's never been in the top 1000 names in America, but then again, neither has Hyacinth.

[Sundae]

I worked with a pharmacist called Ibrahim in Leicester.
He was called Ibram by people who knew him well.

In fact it was tricky as he was Ibrahim Mohammed*, so to the Muslim community his first name and last name were interchangeable (like Elton John). If someone called and asked to speak to Ibram, at least I knew it was a call he wanted to have put through. When they called to speak to Mohammed I guessed they'd only seen his name on a letterhead.

* I do not feel bad giving his full name as it is similar to John Smith.

[sexobon]

I'm too sexy for my username
Too sexy for my username
But that's just me not you
Boohoo.

[infinite monkey]

Yeah, him asking that question (as classic pointed out that's what it was) qualifies him as more troll than merc has been this year.

Oh I love the logic around here. Good groupthink.

[DanaC]

Wtf. Group think?

Damnit. I wasn't going to post in here again, but that got me. Why are the people taking issue with this thread engaged in 'group think' and what, those who argue the opposite are all independent thinkers?

It's always the same. Every time there's an argument or disagreement, you accuse anybody on the other side of that argument from you of engaging in 'group think' or of being 'sheep' or generally being unable or unwilling to think for themselves.

Three or four people on each side of the argument, but one side are just following the group, but the other side all independently arrive in the same place.

ffs.