Philosophism

[Trilby]

Beestie, to partly answer your #1 question (why are there some reincarnated people and some 1.0 people) it's because the reincarnated people either wanted or had to come back for some reason. Maybe they didn't learn what they were supposed to learn or maybe they just want another go at it. Some people choose to remain where they are, others come back. 1.0 people are fresh out of the oven and new to this place. See?

[Dunlavy]

Another line of thinking for reincarnation, Schizophrenia. Mayhaps it's more than just one person becoming everyone, what if perchance Schizophrenia was more than a brain disorder, but really two people reincarnated into one body? Have we proven anything?

Most Schizophernia websites have the line "Recent scientific research on the causes of schizophrenia is increasingly suggesting that it is possible to prevent many cases of schizophrenia..." Increasingly suggesting? Possible? "The key message is that the onset and course of schizophrenia are most likely..."

In a sentence, we haven't learned anything yet about it, but rather, we are working off of hypothesises.

[wolf]

The split mind of schizophrenia has nothing to to with more than one personality ... it's a disconnent between perception and reality.

Multiple personalities, or what we call Dissociative Identity Disorder these days, is an artificial condition, inflicted upon suggestable patients by therapists who are either unscrupulous, or incompetent.

[Brown Thrasher]

Originally Posted by wolf

The split mind of schizophrenia has nothing to to with more than one personality ... it's a disconnent between perception and reality.

Multiple personalities, or what we call Dissociative Identity Disorder these days, is an artificial condition, inflicted upon suggestable patients by therapists who are either unscrupulous, or incompetent.

Schizophrenia as defined by DSM-IV-R: Prescence of psychotic symtoms in an active phase.
!.delusions, prominent hallucinatios (throughout the day for several days or several times a week, each period not be limited to a few brief moments.
incoherance or marked loosening of associations, catatonic behavior, flat or grossly inappropriate affect.

2.Bizarre delusions(ie, involving a phenonomen that the person's culture would regard totally out of the norm.)

3. prominent hallucinations whether auditory or visual. Ie. two or more voices conversing with each other.

Schizophrenia is listed on AxisI of the four axis which would consider it a mental disease. There are also personality disorders on AxisII such as paranoid, schzoid, and schizotypal disorder that may mimic schizophrenia. Personality disorders are not considered a mental disease as major depression, or bi-polar disorder,etc...Personality disorders are usually longstanding and others consider their behavior troublesome.
Dissassociative disorder can be depersonalization disorders, MPD, Psychogenic amnesia and fugue. I think MPD is interesting their has been quite a deal of contoversy over the issue. The overwhelming view is that people that have been classified with this disorder were severely abused as children. This seems to be why you see this form of dissassociative disorder in women who were sexually abused as children. I find your statement that a dissassociative disorder: "is an artificial condition inflicted upon suggestable patients by therapist who are either unscrupulous or incompetent" a bit subjective at best.
Btw there are psychogenic drugs that can also cause a shortlived diassassociative state; such as PCP and Ketamine.......

[Dunlavy]

Good to know, well, ignore what I said about that then.

[Dunlavy]

Woot, Schizophrenia debate, now!

[smoothmoniker]

my point is that we're all in exactly the same state as the deluded person. We have no access to the "thing-in-reality", the fact itself, and we are all to the same degree as the deluded person reliant on the only information that we have access to, the perceptions and knowledge constructs that ensue.

Gimme a couple hours, schroed. I've realized that this thread isn't the best place to hash this out, so I'm going to start and epistemology thread. coming soon to a cellar near you!

-sm

[Dunlavy]

hum... *reads the posts* Oh, whew.... At first I thought is was Deja Vu again. ^_^

[Brown Thrasher]

Originally Posted by Dunlavy

hum... *reads the posts* Oh, whew.... At first I thought is was Deja Vu again. ^_^

Sorry about posting the post twice. I was in the middle of something, and I did not realize the mistake. People who realize their mistakes and apologize are usually to an extent fairly healthy.However, people who have a problem with this are usually have narcisistic tendecies. These people do not have the capacity for empathy....

"Deja Vu"" could be considered a topic of the mystical order, such as reincarnation.

Has the people as a whole lost the ability for social politeness?

[Dunlavy]

I am joking, monsieur. I apologize if my comment came off as me snidely pointing out your mistake.

[Brown Thrasher]

Originally Posted by Dunlavy

I am joking, monsieur. I apologize if my comment came off as me snidely pointing out your mistake.

I accept your apology. A bit of advice, stay on the road less traveled. THere appears to be a "click" for lack of better words that have nothing better to do than degrade others. I think that is the road most travelled. I compliment you on your ability to follow the narrow path.....

[lookout123]

oh c'mon BT - it seems you have some pretty thin skin and don't understand how otherwise intelligent people can possibly look at a set of facts and form a different opinion than you do. if you haven't realized it yet, about half the cellarites here excel at playing the devil's advocate and enjoy a good debate.

[Brown Thrasher]

Originally Posted by lookout123

oh c'mon BT - it seems you have some pretty thin skin and don't understand how otherwise intelligent people can possibly look at a set of facts and form a different opinion than you do. if you haven't realized it yet, about half the cellarites here excel at playing the devil's advocate and enjoy a good debate.

Lookout, I made it quite clear in another post that I have very tough skin. If you would look at some of the replies to my post, I think you would realize this. I just have a problem with intellegent people considering their opinons as fact. There is a difference in being a devil's advocate and a narcissistic asshole..... I wish to meet the other half of cellarites that enjoy debate without considering their facts as infallable. However, it is quite natural for people who have similar personalities to try and persecute people who do not share their beliefs. I find it difficult to understand how you and others can call me down on the least inference I may ascribe too. Maybe if some of the cellarites ascribed to the dialectical method when debating, there possibly would be more skepticism to these "otherwise intellegent people" that you say form about half of the cellearites..........

I cannot nor will I cower down to Omniiscient thought.

[lookout123]

yeah, uh huh.

[Dunlavy]

Originally Posted by Brown Thrasher

I accept your apology. A bit of advice, stay on the road less traveled. THere appears to be a "click" for lack of better words that have nothing better to do than degrade others. I think that is the road most travelled. I compliment you on your ability to follow the narrow path.....

Thank you for the compliment, and I am happy that you accept my apology. Damnable internet in not being able to show expression. Maybe it does and it just comes out differently for other people. Thanks again for your comment relating me to what i've said in the past as well as what's written in one of my quotes. ^_^