Which is more evil?

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Look on the bright side mrnoodle. At least noone can shoot you in the head for coming to close to a military convoy or bomb your house because suspicious looking people may have run into it.

As for the slippery slope argument, I wish the people who are willing to apply it to even full automatic weapons would apply the same logic to flag burning and other free speech issues.

No disgruntled worker ever walked into his office and talked his coworkers to death.

Couple things.

First, I'm not sure that people are getting shot simply for coming too close to a military convoy. Of course, if you're talking about a checkpoint that has been bombed 3 times already and has a sign in 5 languages saying "If you try to drive through here without stopping, you're going to be shot", and I try to drive through it without stopping....well. And if a terrorist hides in my house, it will be because I'm already dead. Otherwise, the good guys can come pick up his bullet-riddled body at their convenience.

Secondly, I take issue with the slippery slope argument as it applies to free speech. At least, I think we're talking about vastly different grades of slope. It's a looooooong slow ride from "you can't display your feces in a jar here" to "you can't say anything derogatory about the government". It's almost a vertical drop from "that gun looks military, so it's banned" to "that's a gun, it's banned."

[xoxoxoBruce]

If they really gave a shit about anything but a complete ban on guns they'd enforce the hundreds of laws that are on the books.
They tout the background checks preventing ineligible people from buying guns but never prosecute those people for trying, as the law demands.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If they really gave a shit about anything but a complete ban on guns they'd enforce the hundreds of laws that are on the books.
They tout the background checks preventing ineligible people from buying guns but never prosecute those people for trying, as the law demands.

We are of one mind, Bruce. Good going!

Have I ever asked if you've read JPFO's website, particularly on how you need gun control in order to have a genocide without getting all your Einsatzkommandos shot by their intended victims?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

No disgruntled worker ever walked into his office and talked his coworkers to death.

Though he may make them wish they were either asleep or beyond sleep. Certain weighty office supplies, briskly applied to such bores, may in extremis shut them off.

Joking aside, the thing that makes these guys dangerous isn't that they come in shooting, but that their targets were impeded from having arms of their own with which to resist being murdered. It's kind of hard to make a successful moral case for telling someone that he must suffer murder -- just because you've got a little problem with gun owning and generally bearing arms about as one sees fit.

Rich, I give you praise, though: in this thread, you are mostly not talking BS. Keep up the good work.

Thoughtful Second Amendment advocates become First Amendment activists almost as a law of nature.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Thoughtful Second Amendment advocates become First Amendment activists almost as a law of nature.

Maybe you can tell that to the people who think that freedom demands that no flags be burned or 'disrespected'.

If we could attach a rider to the second amendment that guaranteed the right to burn a flag in anger, that would probably shut up the most vocal advocates of the idea that protecting the symbol of freedom at the expense of the freedom it represents is a good idea.

[wolf]

The truth is that the kind of "workplace violence" that rich is referencing is extremely rare, but catches a lot of media attention.

Hilary is nuts.

I don't have no time for her and her anti-americanisms.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Wendy

Hilary is nuts.
I don't have no time for her and her anti-americanisms.

Originally Posted by WOLF

I'm starting to feel better about Wendy.

Why? Everybody, knows Hilary is nuts.

[wolf]

I'm starting to feel better about Wendy.

[djacq75]

Originally Posted by Griff

Hillary wants to pass a no-burn flag law instead of amending the Constitution. So which is more evil? At least the Republican nutjobs acknowlege that there has to be an amendment to mess with freedom of speech. They are sociopaths for suggesting it, however.

All jingoist rednecks should be castrated before they breed more rednecks. Then again, I guess we need to keep a few around to change our oil and greet us when we go into Wal-Mart

[capnhowdy]

the end result could be noone left to read your posts.

[Kitsune]

The flag flap is up for a vote soon.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California was the lone committee Democrat to vote for the measure, saying its language was designed to both protect the flag and First Amendment free speech protections.

It's funny because that's mutually exclusive.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

The flag flap is up for a vote soon.



It's funny because that's mutually exclusive.

[wolf]

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California was the lone committee Democrat to vote for the measure, saying its language was designed to both protect the flag and First Amendment free speech protections.

You know, I don't think I could bring myself to agree with Senator "which end of a rifle is up" Feinstein on anything, even though I have very strong feelings about flag desecration being a bad thing.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by wolf

You know, I don't think I could bring myself to agree with Senator "which end of a rifle is up" Feinstein on anything, even though I have very strong feelings about flag desecration being a bad thing.

That's because, in our youth, we could read the paper or just look around and see the bad, but the flag always represented the good things about the country.

Intentional desecration is annoying but it's someone making a statement, what bothers me more is the unintentional (careless) desecration I see countless examples of every day. You know, fashions, decals, Kit's paper plates, advertising and
flags with "Made in xxxxx" tags.

btw, I said it was a stupid amendment a year ago and still think so.