The Obamanation - Page 53

TheMercenary · 09-15-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

NPR did a race story this morning. There is a racial component but the ugly rhetoric is in line with what Clinton and Bush got. NPR mentioned the showing up armed at Presidential events thing which is a huge increase in the threatening posture but failed to mention that one of the best armed nutters was a black man. It is more party politics than race but both sides will use race to hold the creepy base. The part that to me seems most racially focused is the kooky citizenship nonsense.

A fair statement. The Race Card being thrown is nothing more than a Strawman by those who support the changes. Nice try, but that dog "Won't Hunt" (Bill Clinton).

classicman · 09-19-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

After reading the posts since the last time I time I was here, I stand by my assertion that a LOT of the negative stuff out there is coming from a place of racism.

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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Friday that angry criticisms about his health care agenda are driven by an intense debate over the proper role of government — and not by racism.

"Are there people out there who don't like me because of race? I'm sure there are," Obama told CNN. "That's not the overriding issue here."

Time and again, Obama was asked about whether the tenor of the health care debate turned nasty because of undercurrents in racism. Former President Jimmy Carter raised the point prominently this week when he said the vitriol was racially motivated.

Not so, Obama said.

"Now there are some who are, setting aside the issue of race, actually I think are more passionate about the idea of whether government can do anything right," Obama said told ABC News. "And I think that that's probably the biggest driver of some of the vitriol."

lookout123 · 09-15-2009, 08:42 PM

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After reading the posts since the last time I time I was here, I stand by my assertion that a LOT of the negative stuff out there is coming from a place of racism. There are a lot of people in this country who are not comfortable having a black man in charge. And they are willing to start a fucking violent revolution and overthrow the government in order to prove it. Anyone who doesn't see it is IMO very naive.

Then I guess I also have to stand by my thought when you were here before: you are fucking koolaid drinking imbecile. It is quite possible for a large number of Americans to have a variety of reasons (some valid, some pretty stupid) for disliking the President and/or his policies without racism being a major factor.

sugarpop · 09-15-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Then I guess I also have to stand by my thought when you were here before: you are fucking koolaid drinking imbecile. It is quite possible for a large number of Americans to have a variety of reasons (some valid, some pretty stupid) for disliking the President and/or his policies without racism being a major factor.

And you, sir, are a complete asshole.

lookout123 · 09-15-2009, 08:46 PM

Race is the most easy to grasp tool the politicians use to separate us from each other. Some people are more susceptible to the idiocy than others.

sugarpop · 09-15-2009, 09:51 PM

ftr, I did not say ALL OF IT was racially motivated, I said I thought A LOT OF IT was. I stand by that. If we had a white man doing the same things, I feel quite certain the temperament would not be as bad as it is.

My brother (the conservative one) has been sending me emails about all the bailouts Obama started. But most of the bailouts were started by Bush, something that is lost on many people who are crying about Obama's socialism. In addition, many of them are now claiming the recession is Obama's fault, even though it began BEFORE he was even elected! And this brother of mine is not stupid, even though it he is acting stupid by sending this crap out and thereby helping to facilitate the nonsense. I do believe he is racist, even though I don't believe he knows he is. He is a "polite" racist. He has racist tendencies, but he isn't aware of them.

In addition, Obama is doing exactly what he campaigned on. He campaigned on health care reform, green energy and education reform. He tied health care to the economy, as he should. He won by a huge majority. Because he won with such a large majority, I think he is caving in WAY too much to the right. He should be trying to get single payer, but instead, it looks like we might not even get a public option now. He is trying WAY too hard to please the people who will never vote with him, and who LOST. *sigh*

TheMercenary · 09-15-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

ftr, I did not say ALL OF IT was racially motivated, I said I thought A LOT OF IT was. I stand by that.

More BS. Very little of it is. It is fearmongering by the Left to make associations that don't exist and to demonize the opposition.

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My brother (the conservative one) has been sending me emails about all the bailouts Obama started. But most of the bailouts were started by Bush, something that is lost on many people who are crying about Obama's socialism. In addition, many of them are now claiming the recession is Obama's fault, even though it began BEFORE he was even elected! And this brother of mine is not stupid, even though it he is acting stupid by sending this crap out and thereby helping to facilitate the nonsense. I do believe he is racist, even though I don't believe he knows he is. He is a "polite" racist. He has racist tendencies, but he isn't aware of them.

Not important to the greater discussion. Sorry you think your brother is a racist for opposing Obama.

sugarpop · 09-15-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

More BS. Very little of it is. It is fearmongering by the Left to make associations that don't exist and to demonize the opposition.

ummm, it isn't the left stirring up fear with death panels, and talk of the president not being legitimate because he wasn't born here (which of course we all know he is and he was), or talking about rationing healthcare, and secession. That is all coming from the whaco extremists on the right. The FEAR is coming from the right.

Not important to the greater discussion. Sorry you think your brother is a racist for opposing Obama.

I don't think he's racist for opposing Obama, I think he's racist for other reasons. And as I said, I don't think he believes he is. But, he is.

capnhowdy · 09-19-2009, 08:19 AM

I knew sooner or later he would say something that wasn't completely obtuse.

Shawnee123 · 09-19-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

I knew sooner or later he would say something that wasn't completely obtuse.

Well, he also said Kanye West is a jackass.

I thought that was GREAT!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_286623.html

capnhowdy · 09-19-2009, 09:04 AM

Oh yeah.... I forgot about that one.

richlevy · 09-19-2009, 09:49 AM

I like it that he's willing to criticize his supporters when they deserve it. I'm looking at the Republicans kissing Beck's and Limbaugh's asses when they step over the line. Kissing? It's more like licking.

It's funny that the coverage has moved to Beck since Limbaugh is not extreme enough anymore. If the progression moves any farther forward, the eventual GOP spokesperson will be covered in shit and speaking in tongues.

classicman · 09-19-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

I'm looking at the Republicans kissing Beck's and Limbaugh's asses when they step over the line.

It's funny that the coverage has moved to Beck since Limbaugh is not extreme enough anymore. .

Thats only the extreme right and that is certainly not most R's.

The coverage is what the mainstream media wants you to believe. I didn't realize you were that gullible.

morethanpretty · 09-19-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Thats only the extreme right and that is certainly not most R's.

The coverage is what the mainstream media wants you to believe. I didn't realize you were that gullible.

Its how all the Republicans I know are. They're still dangerous and have influence, you can't dismiss them because "its only the extreme right." Because either it isn't, or they have a disproportional amount of pull.

TheMercenary · 09-19-2009, 01:48 PM

Anti-Americanism: Alive and Well in the Age of Obama

Islamic countries distrust the United States under the leadership of President Obama about as much as they did under President George W. Bush. What's going on?

http://www.american.com/archive/2009...e-age-of-obama

09-15-2009, 08:46 PM	#5
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Race is the most easy to grasp tool the politicians use to separate us from each other. Some people are more susceptible to the idiocy than others. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-19-2009, 08:19 AM	#9
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	I knew sooner or later he would say something that wasn't completely obtuse. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

09-19-2009, 09:04 AM	#11
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Oh yeah.... I forgot about that one. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

09-19-2009, 09:49 AM	#12
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	I like it that he's willing to criticize his supporters when they deserve it. I'm looking at the Republicans kissing Beck's and Limbaugh's asses when they step over the line. Kissing? It's more like licking. It's funny that the coverage has moved to Beck since Limbaugh is not extreme enough anymore. If the progression moves any farther forward, the eventual GOP spokesperson will be covered in shit and speaking in tongues. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

09-19-2009, 01:48 PM	#15
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Anti-Americanism: Alive and Well in the Age of Obama Islamic countries distrust the United States under the leadership of President Obama about as much as they did under President George W. Bush. What's going on? http://www.american.com/archive/2009...e-age-of-obama __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

09-15-2009, 09:51 PM	#6
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	ftr, I did not say ALL OF IT was racially motivated, I said I thought A LOT OF IT was. I stand by that. If we had a white man doing the same things, I feel quite certain the temperament would not be as bad as it is. My brother (the conservative one) has been sending me emails about all the bailouts Obama started. But most of the bailouts were started by Bush, something that is lost on many people who are crying about Obama's socialism. In addition, many of them are now claiming the recession is Obama's fault, even though it began BEFORE he was even elected! And this brother of mine is not stupid, even though it he is acting stupid by sending this crap out and thereby helping to facilitate the nonsense. I do believe he is racist, even though I don't believe he knows he is. He is a "polite" racist. He has racist tendencies, but he isn't aware of them. In addition, Obama is doing exactly what he campaigned on. He campaigned on health care reform, green energy and education reform. He tied health care to the economy, as he should. He won by a huge majority. Because he won with such a large majority, I think he is caving in WAY too much to the right. He should be trying to get single payer, but instead, it looks like we might not even get a public option now. He is trying WAY too hard to please the people who will never vote with him, and who LOST. sigh

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