11-10-2016, 11:13 AM | #76 |
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If you've got pre-existing conditions, get insurance before January. They'll repeal Obamacare before they have anything to replace it with.
And since the pre-existing condition support is a major cost factor, don't expect it to be in any eventual replacement.
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11-10-2016, 01:16 PM | #77 |
To shreds, you say?
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As I see the insurance industry there are a number of parallels between it and casino gambling. Essentially, insurance companies are betting you will be healthy and you are betting you will get sick. With actuarial tables insurance companies can predict with exceptional accuracy the likelihood of anyone making a claim and what that claim will cost them. That is one of the reasons that they want to be able to cherry pick their policy holders. Just as a casino will bar card counters and people with "photographic memories" an other people who win too often, insurance companies prefer healthy people over sick or sickness prone people. The house doesn't like to pay out.
The only way it works is when there is a preponderance of losers gambling against the house. Healthy people unlikely to get sick, betting that they will get sick, and unskilled gamblers betting that they will win. Obamacare is essentially compelling the casinos to allow big winners, card counters, and other drains against the house to continue to gamble, while also compelling non gamblers to also bet against the house. So the insurance companies have to take the sick people, but they are promised healthy, non-claim making people to offset their costs. Frankly, I don't see where the government gets off compelling you to have health insurance. Auto insurance is optional in that if you don't want to have auto insurance you don't have to own a car.
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11-10-2016, 02:00 PM | #80 |
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You think that if they can't rely on Obama to veto, they'll vote no?
[eta] Though I suppose they can still rely on the filibuster in the Senate to block them.
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Only three states don't have mandatory auto insurance, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Mississippi. All have other financial requirements instead:
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11-11-2016, 07:02 PM | #83 |
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Not letting a patient die is a far cry from the $2 million in bills classic man's son tallied up.
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What percentage of that was racked up in the first 4 weeks of keeping him alive, versus the therapy and recovery afterwards? My bet is it was about half. $1 million is still not a cost we can just absorb for the person who chooses not to pay for insurance.
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11-11-2016, 07:20 PM | #85 |
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Emergency care adds up fast, but millions ring a large bell with insurance companies. They don't give a rat's ass about people, only bottom line.
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Absolutely. Single payer is the only real way to go, IMHO. My only point is that allowing people to opt out completely is not a financially feasible system, because no one is ever really opted out.
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BTW, on the day after the election over 100,000 new people signed up for Obamacare, because as always, folks are going to whine about how awful it is right up until it looks like it's going to be taken away.
But it might not matter, because Trump actually has just decided he likes Obamacare: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37953528 |
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Perhaps thats because the open enrollment just began and hundreds of thousands sign up every day now through the end of enrollment because - well because they have to.
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You don't have to...
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