Does this mean we have to invade them, too? - Page 6

Tonchi · 01-17-2007, 03:46 PM

You are right, Bush is not an idiot just because he has an agenda. He is an idiot because of many thousands of other reasons

piercehawkeye45 · 01-19-2007, 10:16 PM

The Bush admin did have to frame Bush. If they didn't do that then there would be no reason to go to war.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-19-2007, 11:38 PM

So Bush can use that banner to imply that we won the war four years ago but we can't use that against him? Kind of a double standard isn't it?

Ronald Cherrycoke · 01-19-2007, 11:44 PM

The banner signified the completion of the carrier's deployment, which was 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history. The banner did not refer to our commitment in Iraq, nor did the White House demand its display. It was a Navy show, giving proper praise for a mission well done by the crew of the Abraham Lincoln.

Huh?

piercehawkeye45 · 01-19-2007, 11:46 PM

Then why the fuck was it being presented for the win over Iraq? Bush and them used it as a symbol for the "win" in Iraq, we can use that against him.

Happy Monkey · 01-19-2007, 11:54 PM

It was made by the Bush administration, not the Navy. The Navy doesn't have to request someone else to make signs for them. If it was their idea, they'd have made it.

tw · 01-20-2007, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It was made by the Bush administration, not the Navy.

"Mission Accomplished" was even in George Jr's speech. Rumsfeld who was in Iraq at that time demanded that soundbyte be removed. Back then, Rumsfeld got whatever he wanted. However no one told the Navy to not hang that White House banner. That banner was not about the carrier's deployment. It was a White House soundbyte created by an administration that had no concept of military science 101. Administration that never understood 'planning for the peace' is as essential as planning for the war. Because these people operate on a political ideology, they insisted "America does not do nation building". "Mission Accomplished".

"Mission Accomplished" defines an administration that makes decisions based in political ideology rather than in logic and in America's interests. "Mission Accomplished" could also define other fiascos - Man to Mars and the intentional perversion of science.

Ronald Cherrycoke · 01-20-2007, 12:12 AM

"Mission Accomplished" was even in George Jr's speech. Rumsfeld who was in Iraq at that time demanded that soundbyte be removed. Back then, Rumsfeld got whatever he wanted. However no one told the Navy to not hang that White House banner. That banner was not about the carrier's deployment. It was a White House soundbyte created by an administration that had no concept of military science 101. Administration that never understood 'planning for the peace' is as essential as planning for the war. Because these people operate on a political ideology, they insisted "America does not do nation building". "Mission Accomplished".

George Orwell would love you guy.....

yesman065 · 01-20-2007, 03:06 AM

You disagree with the definition of evil put forth? You are an idiot. Virtually everything outside of math or science is subjective. If everything were all fact there would be no discussion no thought no opinions. Hell we'd all be like you. But don't lose sight of the real discussion here - YOU claimed that Saddam was not evil. Justify that statement. You didn't answer the question again! Stop dancing around it, avoiding it and all your little diversions - Answer the fuckin question. Oh nevermind you're too much of a pussy to admit you're wrong. Here's one for ya "Live and learn" - you should try it sometime. g-nite

P.S. You still owe me an apology

01-17-2007, 03:46 PM	#1
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01-19-2007, 11:54 PM	#6
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It was made by the Bush administration, not the Navy. The Navy doesn't have to request someone else to make signs for them. If it was their idea, they'd have made it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-20-2007, 03:06 AM	#9
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	You disagree with the definition of evil put forth? You are an idiot. Virtually everything outside of math or science is subjective. If everything were all fact there would be no discussion no thought no opinions. Hell we'd all be like you. But don't lose sight of the real discussion here - YOU claimed that Saddam was not evil. Justify that statement. You didn't answer the question again! Stop dancing around it, avoiding it and all your little diversions - Answer the fuckin question. Oh nevermind you're too much of a pussy to admit you're wrong. Here's one for ya "Live and learn" - you should try it sometime. g-nite P.S. You still owe me an apology Last edited by yesman065; 01-20-2007 at 03:13 AM.

01-19-2007, 10:16 PM	#2
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The Bush admin did have to frame Bush. If they didn't do that then there would be no reason to go to war.

01-19-2007, 11:38 PM	#3
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	So Bush can use that banner to imply that we won the war four years ago but we can't use that against him? Kind of a double standard isn't it?

01-19-2007, 11:44 PM	#4
Ronald Cherrycoke Master Locutor Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 153	The banner signified the completion of the carrier's deployment, which was 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history. The banner did not refer to our commitment in Iraq, nor did the White House demand its display. It was a Navy show, giving proper praise for a mission well done by the crew of the Abraham Lincoln. Huh?

01-19-2007, 11:46 PM	#5
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Then why the fuck was it being presented for the win over Iraq? Bush and them used it as a symbol for the "win" in Iraq, we can use that against him.

01-20-2007, 12:12 AM	#8
Ronald Cherrycoke Master Locutor Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 153	"Mission Accomplished" was even in George Jr's speech. Rumsfeld who was in Iraq at that time demanded that soundbyte be removed. Back then, Rumsfeld got whatever he wanted. However no one told the Navy to not hang that White House banner. That banner was not about the carrier's deployment. It was a White House soundbyte created by an administration that had no concept of military science 101. Administration that never understood 'planning for the peace' is as essential as planning for the war. Because these people operate on a political ideology, they insisted "America does not do nation building". "Mission Accomplished". George Orwell would love you guy.....

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