Red "Delicious" Apples - Page 6

Sundae · 02-07-2007, 01:05 PM

I've never liked red apples, but then I've always favoured content over looks anyway.

I love Braeburn - can't get a better apple as far as I'm concerned.

RK - I suffered a very bad reaction to red jalapenos (written up here - it's a bit grim) and yet they're supposed to be milder than the green ones. I wonder if something in the colour does affect some people?

I'll look out for Honeycrisp, but I find the name a little off-putting as I'm not one for sweet apples.

I miss going to food fairs, which I did every year when I was in marketing. I discovered Jalapeno Tabasco and Braeburn apples at the BBC Food & Drink Show. Companies launching or promoting food would give out free samples which I'm sure was a more cost effective way of gaining new customers than TV advertising.... That and I'm a greedy pig who's a sucker for free samples of course!

Ronald Cherrycoke · 02-07-2007, 08:55 PM

Curb Their Enthusiasm Font Size:
By Alex Avery :

On HBO's "Curb Your Enthusiasm," the female lead character portrays a lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council. It is appropriate that this show is a comedy, because NRDC has long been a bad national joke. How are we to take seriously the claims of an organization that for the last decade has used baseless fear and science fiction to get the public's attention? Its tactics are reminiscent of the little boy who cried wolf, except the apocryphal shepherd boy got only three chances. NRDC, despite dozens of attempts to needlessly scare the American public, has yet to receive the deaf ear it deserves.

In fact, the Environmental Protection Agency is bending itself into a pretzel to accommodate this gang of activist lawyers. This week, under a consent decree with NRDC, the agency held a special four-day Scientific Advisory Panel (SAP) to review the supposed impacts of atrazine on the sexual development of frogs. Atrazine is an important agricultural herbicide, widely used for decades.

While one day of the 4-day SAP was set aside for public comment, the NRDC was inexplicably given a separate day of its own to bloviate. Moreover, the NRDC's pet scientist used up nearly six hours of the public's comment day. (His research is, unsurprisingly, the only research implicating atrazine in frog abnormalities.)

Ten years ago, NRDC perpetrated one of the biggest scams ever on the American public, claiming that a product called alar, used in growing apples, was the "most potent cancer-causing agent in our food supply." NRDC ranted that alar was a "cancer-causing agent used on food that the EPA knows is going to cause cancer for thousands of children." But it wasn't true, and NRDC knew it. Alar, it turns out, was far less a cancer risk than tap water or peanut butter.

Why did they do it? According to boasts from NRDC's public relations firm, it was all an elaborate (and highly successful) fundraising scheme. When their lies were exposed -- sadly too late to save mass parental anguish over supposedly poisonous apple juice or to save apple farmers the millions of dollars in market losses -- the NRDC equivocated. "We never said there was an immediate danger," they said as they laid blame on journalists who "muddled" their report and the public who "overreacted."

Like alar, the agricultural herbicide atrazine is a high-level target of the NRDC. These activists claim atrazine is a known carcinogen -- when they know it is not.

In 1994, the EPA initiated a special review of atrazine, among other herbicides. Since that time Syngenta, the primary manufacturer of atrazine, has provided the EPA with more than 200 studies that demonstrate that atrazine is safe for humans and the environment. In June 2000, the EPA's atrazine SAP met and concluded that atrazine does not pose a cancer risk to humans.

But the constant intervention of NRDC into the regulatory process has carried on the review of atrazine for nearly a decade. Last year, one college researcher claimed that atrazine at low doses (but not at high doses) was affecting the sexual development of frogs. He became an instant media darling. Yet three separate groups of university research scientists have been unable to replicate his results. Replication is the foundation of sound science. Nevertheless, based on that one scientist's unreplicated research, the NRDC demanded and got the EPA to convene yet another SAP to examine the impact of atrazine on amphibians. That was this weeks' meeting.

In advance of the meeting, the EPA's Office of Pesticide Programs posted its opinion that "The current weight-of-evidence does not show that atrazine produces consistent, reproducible effects across the range of exposure concentrations and amphibian species tested." On Thursday, after the SAP, the EPA says "atrazine exposure did appear to be having some impact on gonadal effects" of frogs. Nothing has changed about the evidence from a week ago. It is still inconsistent, unreplicated, and illogical.

The SAP will apparently recommend to the EPA yet more research into possible impacts of atrazine on frogs.

Why is the environmental protest industry allowed to manipulate the process this way? The NRDC is not a grassroots organization funded by concerned citizens throwing in their twenty dollars apiece to save the environment. They are a well-funded army of lawyers ($4 million in taxpayer funds from the EPA alone) that uses our legal system as a means to an end. The first lawsuit filed by NRDC against atrazine was in 1986. And when NRDC can't win in court, they take their case to the media, where they are not required to swear to tell the whole truth. The alar smear campaign exposes their underhanded tactics.

Hundreds of studies conducted by responsible scientists confirm that atrazine is safe for humans, safe for the environment and valuable to farmers. On matters of the environment and human safety, isn't the word of sound science considerably more valid than that of lawyers?

Alex Avery is director of research and education at the Hudson Institute's Center for Global Food Issues in Churchville, Virginia.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/index.html

glatt · 02-08-2007, 08:20 AM

Um, OK.

I was just eating a fuji apple the other day, and it was good. But not as good as a gala. So I'd say that gala apples are the best. Followed by fuji or golden delicious. Not sure which. I need to do a taste test sometime.

Griff · 02-08-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Um, OK.

He is opposed to fresh local food.

glatt · 02-08-2007, 03:53 PM

all the apples I mentioned are grown in New Zealand, I think. Gala and Fuji anyway. What's frustrating is that a New Zealand apple tastes fresher than a local apple when you are shopping in a grocery store. You have to go directly to the orchard or find a farmers' market if you want a yummy local apple.

Griff · 02-08-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

all the apples I mentioned are grown in New Zealand, I think. Gala and Fuji anyway. What's frustrating is that a New Zealand apple tastes fresher than a local apple when you are shopping in a grocery store. You have to go directly to the orchard or find a farmers' market if you want a yummy local apple.

Yah. Somebody did mention organics earlier, so we got the alar spam. When we eat in-season, right off your neighbors tree is better and you can get more interesting fruit. I have no problem with big apple growers selling a good product, but assuming someone is only buying local to avoid the long gone alar scare is idiotic.

Shawnee123 · 02-08-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronald Cherrycoke

On HBO's "Curb Your Enthusiasm," the female lead character portrays a lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council. It is appropriate that this show is a comedy, because NRDC has long been a bad national joke.

Granted, I have not had HBO for some time, but the last I saw the lead female character would be Cheryl David, Larry's wife. Who are they talking about?

Clodfobble · 02-08-2007, 04:00 PM

I am trying a recipe tonight that calls for red apples, and I successfully convinced myself that I could not just swap in green apples and expect the flavors to work the same way. So per LabRat's advice I was going to go with Honeycrisp apples as the lesser-of-all-red-apple-evils, but my grocery store didn't carry them. So I settled on the Pinata apple, purely on the fact that it was way more expensive than all the other apples there, including the organics. If it's expensive it's probably better, right? Upon coming home and googling I discovered this site which claims

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If you like honeycrisp apples, you'll like Pinatas.

Score! The recipe calls for them to be cooked in the oven along with a bunch of other ingredients; I'll let you know how they turn out.

Griff · 02-08-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I'll let you know how they turn out.

We'll just pop by and judge it ourselves thank you.

Flint · 10-08-2009, 12:40 PM

OMG Honeycrisp are the ƒuckin' awesomest, ever!!!1 ... I just popped my Honeycrisp cherry.

lumberjim · 10-08-2009, 12:43 PM

I'm with you.

They taste like a mouthful of win.

monster · 10-08-2009, 03:58 PM

better than a stayman winesap?

skysidhe · 10-08-2009, 04:56 PM

I can't believe I didn't mention the Honey crisp or the Pink Lady.

I've never had a stayman winesap apple and Bruce lives near an orchard? I am very envious. I bet he's baking a pie right now.

glatt · 10-08-2009, 09:02 PM

Weird that this thread is back up again right now. We're going apple picking tomorrow.

lumberjim · 10-08-2009, 09:05 PM

You'd better call ahead and make sure there are still apples. We went last week and were thwarted. If the man was to be believed, the whole apple crop was shite because of a late frost.

said there were no apples to pick. It sucked cuz the kids were really jazzed to go a pickin.

02-07-2007, 01:05 PM	#1
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I've never liked red apples, but then I've always favoured content over looks anyway. I love Braeburn - can't get a better apple as far as I'm concerned. RK - I suffered a very bad reaction to red jalapenos (written up here - it's a bit grim) and yet they're supposed to be milder than the green ones. I wonder if something in the colour does affect some people? I'll look out for Honeycrisp, but I find the name a little off-putting as I'm not one for sweet apples. I miss going to food fairs, which I did every year when I was in marketing. I discovered Jalapeno Tabasco and Braeburn apples at the BBC Food & Drink Show. Companies launching or promoting food would give out free samples which I'm sure was a more cost effective way of gaining new customers than TV advertising.... That and I'm a greedy pig who's a sucker for free samples of course! __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-08-2009, 12:40 PM	#10
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	OMG Honeycrisp are the ƒuckin' awesomest, ever!!!1 ... I just popped my Honeycrisp cherry. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-08-2009, 12:43 PM	#11
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	I'm with you. They taste like a mouthful of win. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-08-2009, 03:58 PM	#12
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	better than a stayman winesap? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-08-2009, 09:05 PM	#15
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	You'd better call ahead and make sure there are still apples. We went last week and were thwarted. If the man was to be believed, the whole apple crop was shite because of a late frost. said there were no apples to pick. It sucked cuz the kids were really jazzed to go a pickin. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-07-2007, 08:55 PM	#2
Ronald Cherrycoke Master Locutor Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 153	Curb Their Enthusiasm Font Size: By Alex Avery : On HBO's "Curb Your Enthusiasm," the female lead character portrays a lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council. It is appropriate that this show is a comedy, because NRDC has long been a bad national joke. How are we to take seriously the claims of an organization that for the last decade has used baseless fear and science fiction to get the public's attention? Its tactics are reminiscent of the little boy who cried wolf, except the apocryphal shepherd boy got only three chances. NRDC, despite dozens of attempts to needlessly scare the American public, has yet to receive the deaf ear it deserves. In fact, the Environmental Protection Agency is bending itself into a pretzel to accommodate this gang of activist lawyers. This week, under a consent decree with NRDC, the agency held a special four-day Scientific Advisory Panel (SAP) to review the supposed impacts of atrazine on the sexual development of frogs. Atrazine is an important agricultural herbicide, widely used for decades. While one day of the 4-day SAP was set aside for public comment, the NRDC was inexplicably given a separate day of its own to bloviate. Moreover, the NRDC's pet scientist used up nearly six hours of the public's comment day. (His research is, unsurprisingly, the only research implicating atrazine in frog abnormalities.) Ten years ago, NRDC perpetrated one of the biggest scams ever on the American public, claiming that a product called alar, used in growing apples, was the "most potent cancer-causing agent in our food supply." NRDC ranted that alar was a "cancer-causing agent used on food that the EPA knows is going to cause cancer for thousands of children." But it wasn't true, and NRDC knew it. Alar, it turns out, was far less a cancer risk than tap water or peanut butter. Why did they do it? According to boasts from NRDC's public relations firm, it was all an elaborate (and highly successful) fundraising scheme. When their lies were exposed -- sadly too late to save mass parental anguish over supposedly poisonous apple juice or to save apple farmers the millions of dollars in market losses -- the NRDC equivocated. "We never said there was an immediate danger," they said as they laid blame on journalists who "muddled" their report and the public who "overreacted." Like alar, the agricultural herbicide atrazine is a high-level target of the NRDC. These activists claim atrazine is a known carcinogen -- when they know it is not. In 1994, the EPA initiated a special review of atrazine, among other herbicides. Since that time Syngenta, the primary manufacturer of atrazine, has provided the EPA with more than 200 studies that demonstrate that atrazine is safe for humans and the environment. In June 2000, the EPA's atrazine SAP met and concluded that atrazine does not pose a cancer risk to humans. But the constant intervention of NRDC into the regulatory process has carried on the review of atrazine for nearly a decade. Last year, one college researcher claimed that atrazine at low doses (but not at high doses) was affecting the sexual development of frogs. He became an instant media darling. Yet three separate groups of university research scientists have been unable to replicate his results. Replication is the foundation of sound science. Nevertheless, based on that one scientist's unreplicated research, the NRDC demanded and got the EPA to convene yet another SAP to examine the impact of atrazine on amphibians. That was this weeks' meeting. In advance of the meeting, the EPA's Office of Pesticide Programs posted its opinion that "The current weight-of-evidence does not show that atrazine produces consistent, reproducible effects across the range of exposure concentrations and amphibian species tested." On Thursday, after the SAP, the EPA says "atrazine exposure did appear to be having some impact on gonadal effects" of frogs. Nothing has changed about the evidence from a week ago. It is still inconsistent, unreplicated, and illogical. The SAP will apparently recommend to the EPA yet more research into possible impacts of atrazine on frogs. Why is the environmental protest industry allowed to manipulate the process this way? The NRDC is not a grassroots organization funded by concerned citizens throwing in their twenty dollars apiece to save the environment. They are a well-funded army of lawyers ($4 million in taxpayer funds from the EPA alone) that uses our legal system as a means to an end. The first lawsuit filed by NRDC against atrazine was in 1986. And when NRDC can't win in court, they take their case to the media, where they are not required to swear to tell the whole truth. The alar smear campaign exposes their underhanded tactics. Hundreds of studies conducted by responsible scientists confirm that atrazine is safe for humans, safe for the environment and valuable to farmers. On matters of the environment and human safety, isn't the word of sound science considerably more valid than that of lawyers? Alex Avery is director of research and education at the Hudson Institute's Center for Global Food Issues in Churchville, Virginia. http://www.techcentralstation.com/index.html

02-08-2007, 08:20 AM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Um, OK. I was just eating a fuji apple the other day, and it was good. But not as good as a gala. So I'd say that gala apples are the best. Followed by fuji or golden delicious. Not sure which. I need to do a taste test sometime.

02-08-2007, 03:53 PM	#5
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	all the apples I mentioned are grown in New Zealand, I think. Gala and Fuji anyway. What's frustrating is that a New Zealand apple tastes fresher than a local apple when you are shopping in a grocery store. You have to go directly to the orchard or find a farmers' market if you want a yummy local apple.

10-08-2009, 04:56 PM	#13
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I can't believe I didn't mention the Honey crisp or the Pink Lady. I've never had a stayman winesap apple and Bruce lives near an orchard? I am very envious. I bet he's baking a pie right now.

10-08-2009, 09:02 PM	#14
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Weird that this thread is back up again right now. We're going apple picking tomorrow.

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