Affirmative Action Unnecessary? - Page 6

Spexxvet · 03-26-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The problem with that solution is the proponents of elimination of classism find the solutions in wealth redistribution. I will have no part of that under any circumstance. Taxes are a form of wealth redistribution and more taxes are not a solution. Socialist forms of society are not going to cut it here.

Wealth is being redstributed all the time. When I spend money, it goes into rich people's pockets, so they can buy more unnecessary stuff.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-26-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The problem with that solution is the proponents of elimination of classism find the solutions in wealth redistribution. I will have no part of that under any circumstance. Taxes are a form of wealth redistribution and more taxes are not a solution. Socialist forms of society are not going to cut it here.

I was not talking about getting rid of classes (different issue) but the discrimination against the lower class. If you are poor and you skip class, you are looked as lazy and worthless, if you are rich and you skip class, you are looked as a rebel.

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Why do you think I should hire someone who has a highschool diploma over a person who has a college degree beacause the person with the diploma is black?

I agree with this on the surface but when you look deeper you find the real problem. Does the black person with a high school diploma have the same chance as the white person with a college degree to get into college in the first place? This is the real problem in my opinion and AA is only a cover to hide this.

TheMercenary · 03-26-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Does the black person with a high school diploma have the same chance as the white person with a college degree to get into college in the first place? This is the real problem in my opinion and AA is only a cover to hide this.

Is this my problem? Should my non-minority child lose a chance at advancement for feel good solutions to promote people who are not fully qualified? Should I not get a job because an individual minority in a position of power wants to promote someone of like color?

piercehawkeye45 · 03-26-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Is this my problem? Should my non-minority child lose a chance at advancement for feel good solutions to promote people who are not fully qualified? Should I not get a job because an individual minority in a position of power wants to promote someone of like color?

Your child should not be held back and rarely will your child ever be. It is just that minority children are at a disadvantage but I personally don't think AA will solve that problem and will only make it worse because it favors racism.

Ibby · 03-26-2007, 12:53 PM

My girlfriend is half mexican. On her tests and college apps and everything else, she gets to mark 'hispanic' and probably gets an advantage over me for it (not that she needs it, shes perfect enough already). Why? Because she's an "underprivelledged minority".

Except shes not. Her family has at least as much money as mine does, her dad works at the same place my dad did (and probably at higher pay), her mother doesnt even need to work, they actually own their house... etc.

Affirmative Action should be based on socioeconomic class, not race. Help the poor people, all of them, not just the ones who arent white, and not the relatively well-off people who also arent white, just on that basis.

wolf · 03-26-2007, 01:14 PM

Rich people can be very good at hiding money ... as many college financial aid officers can tell you.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-27-2007, 04:57 PM

The reason we have this reverse racism is to cover up a much larger problem. If we focus on that problem, we can eliminate discrimination for both sides.

All AA is doing is getting people pissed off and making it seem like white America "cares" about minorities.

03-27-2007, 05:07 PM

You should have been in the room when I explained to my mother that someone who did not meet their criteria was getting my spot instead because I was white... took a while.
Should have sued now that I know what happened in Texas.
It would have helped others.
It is not "reverse" anything, it is racism against whites and nothing more.
Racism is racism.
We just replaced one with another.

Trilby · 03-27-2007, 05:14 PM

Who here is a minority or has a minority member in their household?

Raise hands.

03-27-2007, 05:17 PM

I'm and atheist and disabled. Hand is up.

Trilby · 03-27-2007, 05:19 PM

PS--

I qualify my own familia with: five Hispanics, three Pakistanis and (god help us) various French-speaking peoples. But, not the French-French--the spat-upon Creole, the Creole, the mothers were hampster's and the father's...well, let's just let bygones be bygones....

Racism my ASS.

Trilby · 03-27-2007, 05:21 PM

rkz--

I see your disability and raise you an atheist.

03-27-2007, 05:25 PM

Some say my 1/4 Native American is enough... I wonder.

I'll see your atheist and see you an atheist Deep Southerner, nuh!

Edit: that was an actor and eats sushi! *hell gets cold*

TheMercenary · 03-27-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Some say my 1/4 Native American is enough... I wonder.

Yes it is. More than enough for many things including a college scholarship, if you can prove it.

Kitsune · 03-27-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yes it is. More than enough for many things including a college scholarship, if you can prove it.

How could they disprove it? Would they really put forth the money and effort to test?

03-26-2007, 12:53 PM	#5
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	My girlfriend is half mexican. On her tests and college apps and everything else, she gets to mark 'hispanic' and probably gets an advantage over me for it (not that she needs it, shes perfect enough already). Why? Because she's an "underprivelledged minority". Except shes not. Her family has at least as much money as mine does, her dad works at the same place my dad did (and probably at higher pay), her mother doesnt even need to work, they actually own their house... etc. Affirmative Action should be based on socioeconomic class, not race. Help the poor people, all of them, not just the ones who arent white, and not the relatively well-off people who also arent white, just on that basis. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

03-26-2007, 01:14 PM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Rich people can be very good at hiding money ... as many college financial aid officers can tell you. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-27-2007, 05:14 PM	#9
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Who here is a minority or has a minority member in their household? Raise hands. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-27-2007, 05:19 PM	#11
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	PS-- I qualify my own familia with: five Hispanics, three Pakistanis and (god help us) various French-speaking peoples. But, not the French-French--the spat-upon Creole, the Creole, the mothers were hampster's and the father's...well, let's just let bygones be bygones.... Racism my ASS. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-27-2007, 05:21 PM	#12
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	rkz-- I see your disability and raise you an atheist. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-27-2007, 04:57 PM	#7
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The reason we have this reverse racism is to cover up a much larger problem. If we focus on that problem, we can eliminate discrimination for both sides. All AA is doing is getting people pissed off and making it seem like white America "cares" about minorities.

03-27-2007, 05:07 PM	#8
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	You should have been in the room when I explained to my mother that someone who did not meet their criteria was getting my spot instead because I was white... took a while. Should have sued now that I know what happened in Texas. It would have helped others. It is not "reverse" anything, it is racism against whites and nothing more. Racism is racism. We just replaced one with another.

03-27-2007, 05:17 PM	#10
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I'm and atheist and disabled. Hand is up.

03-27-2007, 05:25 PM	#13
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Some say my 1/4 Native American is enough... I wonder. I'll see your atheist and see you an atheist Deep Southerner, nuh! Edit: that was an actor and eats sushi! hell gets cold

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