Do you make 'enough' money? - Page 6

lumberjim · 09-20-2007, 04:34 PM

i should have just posted that as Flunt. damn

DanaC · 09-20-2007, 04:39 PM

lol I just laughed and scared the dog who was asleep at my feet :P

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Yeah, but Dana, then we'll have to WAIT longer. And socialized medicine doesn't work because communism-human-nature-USSR-laziness-more taxes-etc.
You know?

I know...I know....damn that human nature. And waiting...damn waiting...I heard this one guy had to wait 150 years and then they amputated the wrong leg....and he was left on a gurney in the corridor to recover. I heard that.

lookout123 · 09-20-2007, 04:47 PM

oh hell, they do that here. not too long ago a guy went to the VA hospital where they were supposed to remove a testicle (cancer, i think). He woke up to find out they'd removed the wrong one.

yep, now he's completely nutless.

that is why medical care is not something to try to save money on. pay for the good stuff.

queequeger · 09-21-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I know...I know....damn that human nature. And waiting...damn waiting...I heard this one guy had to wait 150 years and then they amputated the wrong leg....and he was left on a gurney in the corridor to recover. I heard that.

I bet it was on the internet. That's where I do all my research. And TV.

theotherguy · 09-20-2007, 04:55 PM

Most docs are not good business people.

Aliantha · 09-20-2007, 05:10 PM

Our medical system over here is not too bad. I think it's way better than that in the US, but it's not perfect.

A lot more people are heading towards private health these days, mostly thanks to the conservative government we've had for the last 12yrs. I'll be interested to see what changes are made to both the private and public health sectors over the next couple of years if they give Johnny the big A.

Clodfobble · 09-20-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

BTW, if you want an idea of the horrible standards of living that US OB-GYN's have to endure, you might Google some of the recruiting websites for that speciality. The one I looked at was full of offers to help prospective new doctors pay off student loans, cover malpractice insurance and more. When salaries were mentioned, they were in the 150K to 200K range - not bad for a new entrant to a profession.

I wonder why they're having to recruit them, then?

An ob-gyn in Long Island will pay $143,148 a year for malpractice insurance. (This is compared to $85,772/year for a general surgeon in the same area.)

In Illinois, an OB could pay as much as $170,000 a year (compared to about $75,000 for a general surgeon.) It's not as high in every state, but I'm pretty sure traveling to a neighboring state is not an option for most residents.

Cicero · 09-20-2007, 07:20 PM

Hi SamIam! Good to see one of your random visits!!

To the Haters.
Would it really bother you that much to let me have some proper healthcare for my husband before he kicks the bucket and leaves me on this ridiculous piece of insanity called earth, broke and crazy?

Should I really have saved 6 digits just in case my young husband had terminal cancer? Really?

This is a pretty sore spot for me right now. I'm in danger of cussing at people again. Universal Healthcare would enhance my life right now is all I'm going to say. And don't call me lazy or a welfare slut. My husband and myself are very hard-working people. (Unless I'm dicking around with you guys on the cellar)

Just nevermind. Really. Fuck it. It's like banging my head against a wall.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-20-2007, 09:52 PM

When I go to the doctors for a checkup, (every 15 or 20 years, whether I need it or not) and she runs the routine battery of blood tests, I feel better when she tells me everything is OK.

At least until I get the receipt from the insurance company that says for almost $700 in tests, they paid $36.... and the lab accepted it. I wonder how good a job they did on checking for problems?

Spexxvet · 09-21-2007, 09:20 AM

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... At least until I get the receipt from the insurance company that says for almost $700 in tests, they paid $36.... and the lab accepted it. I wonder how good a job they did on checking for problems?

Yeah, the "real" price should be somewhere between the two. My Doc charges $120 for an exam, which is what a "self-paying" patient pays. Medicare pays 80% of their $110 allowable, but most of the private insurance companies pay $32 to $50. I think that if you accept Medicare, it's illegal to charge someone a discounted price, if they're a "self-pay".

TheMercenary · 09-21-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Yeah, the "real" price should be somewhere between the two. My Doc charges $120 for an exam, which is what a "self-paying" patient pays. Medicare pays 80% of their $110 allowable, but most of the private insurance companies pay $32 to $50. I think that if you accept Medicare, it's illegal to charge someone a discounted price, if they're a "self-pay".

Technically you are correct. A few places I work do it. Why? to help the patient, not because they are getting rich off of this group of patients.

monster · 09-20-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

Hi SamIam! Good to see one of your random visits!!

To the Haters.
Would it really bother you that much to let me have some proper healthcare for my husband before he kicks the bucket and leaves me on this ridiculous piece of insanity called earth, broke and crazy?

Should I really have saved 6 digits just in case my young husband had terminal cancer? Really?

This is a pretty sore spot for me right now. I'm in danger of cussing at people again. Universal Healthcare would enhance my life right now is all I'm going to say. And don't call me lazy or a welfare slut. My husband and myself are very hard-working people. (Unless I'm dicking around with you guys on the cellar)

Just nevermind. Really. Fuck it. It's like banging my head against a wall.

Yo Cic, just let rip, don't hold back. please. you may not feel better, but you might, and you won't feel worse.

The reality is, though, that there is no perfect healthcare system, no perfect insurance system. You'd be just as fucked in the UK. Life just sucks, sometimes. With Universal healthcare comes universal awareness that wasting the doctor's time is a bad thing. So diagnoses often come too late...

Cancer is just a bummer, no matter what insurance and cover you have. Sorry it happens to be your bummer right now. I have you down as rthe type of person who doesn't give up, though, so good luck, you will get there.

Cicero · 09-21-2007, 11:23 AM

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Yo Cic, just let rip, don't hold back. please. you may not feel better, but you might, and you won't feel worse.

The reality is, though, that there is no perfect healthcare system, no perfect insurance system. You'd be just as fucked in the UK. Life just sucks, sometimes. With Universal healthcare comes universal awareness that wasting the doctor's time is a bad thing. So diagnoses often come too late...

Cancer is just a bummer, no matter what insurance and cover you have. Sorry it happens to be your bummer right now. I have you down as rthe type of person who doesn't give up, though, so good luck, you will get there.

I know....I know. But since my little plans for insurance have been foiled, I now have more options. Like, my husband has to quit working at some point (when he's sick)so I can prove us indigent enough to be accepted for medicare or medicade. Until that time occurs we are paying out of our pockets. And when it gets really bad I can apply with the state of NM as a home healthcare worker and can take care of my husband at home. Of course we are not going to be able to afford the place we are in, and downsize to a studio. Or I'm going to ******* and run ......and let my husband die on a beach in Mexico with some fucking dignity....haven't decided yet. It could go either way.

Maybe I can pay a Canadian on this board to marry him for a short period? Any takers?

Well- pm me if you are interested.

SamIam · 09-21-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

Hi SamIam! Good to see one of your random visits!!

To the Haters.
Would it really bother you that much to let me have some proper healthcare for my husband before he kicks the bucket and leaves me on this ridiculous piece of insanity called earth, broke and crazy?

Should I really have saved 6 digits just in case my young husband had terminal cancer? Really?

This is a pretty sore spot for me right now. I'm in danger of cussing at people again. Universal Healthcare would enhance my life right now is all I'm going to say. And don't call me lazy or a welfare slut. My husband and myself are very hard-working people. (Unless I'm dicking around with you guys on the cellar)

Just nevermind. Really. Fuck it. It's like banging my head against a wall.

Hey, Cicero! Nice to "see" you again! Sorry as can be about your bad news. Damn, Damn, Damn, and Damn again. If you want, PM me with your phone number (I lost it), and maybe I can give you some advise re the SYSTEM

To Clodfobble: Their are recruiting sites for EVERY profession. I bet they are even some for your line of work, whatever it is. Recruiting sites are not in themselves evidence of scarcity, although they can be an indicator of sorts. There's a big shortage of doctors of all kinds in the more rural areas, and I noticed many of the ads for OB-GYN's were for places like Bumfuck, Idaho (no offence to anyone here from Bumfuck).

To Lookout: I discovered an entire site on how doctors can disguise their assets - putting money in their children's names was only the most obvious of more devious plans that I didn't have the patience to read, not being a broker or a banker. And, anyhow, I don't have much sympathy for someone who whines about making a mere 150K/year. Sure, people in other professions can earn as much or more, so why didn't the folks who became Doc's just skip the entire Med School/Advanced Training treadmill, and go sell used cars, for example?

I would assume that at least some people are drawn to medicine for other reasons than money - reasons that cause them to suck it in and eke out an existance at a lowly 150K. And you never answered my question about what sort of society you prefer to live in. Is it one where Cicero's young husband dies of a deadly disease due to lack of medical care? If so, quite frankly, shame on you!

lookout123 · 09-21-2007, 02:23 PM

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And you never answered my question about what sort of society you prefer to live in. Is it one where Cicero's young husband dies of a deadly disease due to lack of medical care? If so, quite frankly, shame on you!

well, there you go, why don't you just ask when I quit beating my wife?

Do I wish ill upon Cicero or her family? absolutely not, it is horribly sad. Do I want to live with universal, tax payer funded medical care? hell, no. I prefer to live in a place where the market (consumer) decides the value of all goods and services. Supply and demand and all that.

Now if you want to talk about legitimate ways of sheltering money, i can do that all day - but this probably isn't the right thread.

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09-20-2007, 04:34 PM	#1
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	i should have just posted that as Flunt. damn __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

09-20-2007, 04:47 PM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	oh hell, they do that here. not too long ago a guy went to the VA hospital where they were supposed to remove a testicle (cancer, i think). He woke up to find out they'd removed the wrong one. yep, now he's completely nutless. that is why medical care is not something to try to save money on. pay for the good stuff. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-20-2007, 04:55 PM	#5
theotherguy no not that other guy, the other one Join Date: May 2007 Location: TN Posts: 640	Most docs are not good business people. __________________ I should be working.

09-20-2007, 05:10 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Our medical system over here is not too bad. I think it's way better than that in the US, but it's not perfect. A lot more people are heading towards private health these days, mostly thanks to the conservative government we've had for the last 12yrs. I'll be interested to see what changes are made to both the private and public health sectors over the next couple of years if they give Johnny the big A. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

09-20-2007, 07:20 PM	#8
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Hi SamIam! Good to see one of your random visits!! To the Haters. Would it really bother you that much to let me have some proper healthcare for my husband before he kicks the bucket and leaves me on this ridiculous piece of insanity called earth, broke and crazy? Should I really have saved 6 digits just in case my young husband had terminal cancer? Really? This is a pretty sore spot for me right now. I'm in danger of cussing at people again. Universal Healthcare would enhance my life right now is all I'm going to say. And don't call me lazy or a welfare slut. My husband and myself are very hard-working people. (Unless I'm dicking around with you guys on the cellar) Just nevermind. Really. Fuck it. It's like banging my head against a wall. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

09-20-2007, 09:52 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	When I go to the doctors for a checkup, (every 15 or 20 years, whether I need it or not) and she runs the routine battery of blood tests, I feel better when she tells me everything is OK. At least until I get the receipt from the insurance company that says for almost $700 in tests, they paid $36.... and the lab accepted it. I wonder how good a job they did on checking for problems? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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