What is a hobby breeder? - Page 6

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 01:25 PM

Because a few people with power and money convinced the ignorant that was the right way to go? I am an extremist for making the obvious comparison?
These are not laws about ethical animal breeding. They are laws designed to end the breeding and owning of ALL animals. [an extremist POV] We already have anti cruelty laws in every state they just need to be enforced. We do not need new laws we need enforcement of existing laws.

Shawnee123 · 03-23-2009, 01:33 PM

I guess that depends on your definition of "obvious comparison." I can't see that comparison having very much to do with your argument, except that it made me think of Hitler's Breed of Perfect People and your vision of perfect animals. My comparison was to point out the irony of your comparison, fwiw.

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 01:41 PM

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
[embellishment]"Then they came for the animal owners and I did not speak out because I was not a breeder."[/embellishment]
Then they came for me,[embellishment]and my animals[/embellishment] and there was no one left to speak for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

Shawnee123 · 03-23-2009, 01:42 PM

OK.

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 01:44 PM

You cannot give me visions that do not exist in my mind. I don't have a vision of perfect animals because I am intelligent enough to know there is no such thing.

Trilby · 03-23-2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana

...I don't have a vision of perfect animals because I am intelligent enough to know there is no such thing.

do me a favor - don't tell my cat that.

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 01:48 PM

Brianna no worries, perfection of the soul abounds in animals

Trilby · 03-23-2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Brianna no worries, perfection of the soul abounds in animals

except for...you know, sea animals! And alligators!

DanaC · 03-23-2009, 06:02 PM

Oh please. Please, Nirvana, tell me you didn't bastardise that powerful statement on fascism to make a point about the 'plight' of dog breeders.

I'm sorry, Nirvana, but I find that absurd and distasteful.

Nirvana · 03-23-2009, 08:51 PM

I appreciate your POV Dana I am sorry that you found my way of making a point absurd.

Decca · 03-24-2009, 04:13 PM

As a once-co-owner of a dog rescue which dealt with the unfortunate aftermath of puppy mills and unwanted dogs, all I'm going to say about this whole mess is that I agree with the concept of creating and enforcing laws governing the existence of puppy mills. The vast majority of pet mills create poorly-bred, faulty, inbred, overpriced pets that are neither suitable as pets or as breeding stock... which is unfortunately where many of the intact puppy mill dogs end up, creating further inferior puppies in a vicious cycle. I have nothing against hobby breeders, who seek to IMPROVE the breed and who (usually) hold themselves to strict guidelines when selecting breeding stock and who (again, usually) either sell their imperfect puppies already fixed, or under a spay/neuter contract. I respect those who devote a good chunk of their lives creating beautiful animals, whether they be dogs, cats, horses, fish, or birds

TheMercenary · 03-27-2009, 11:24 AM

I thought this was another thread about Octo-mom.

03-23-2009, 01:25 PM	#1
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Because a few people with power and money convinced the ignorant that was the right way to go? I am an extremist for making the obvious comparison? These are not laws about ethical animal breeding. They are laws designed to end the breeding and owning of ALL animals. [an extremist POV] We already have anti cruelty laws in every state they just need to be enforced. We do not need new laws we need enforcement of existing laws. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-23-2009, 01:33 PM	#2
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I guess that depends on your definition of "obvious comparison." I can't see that comparison having very much to do with your argument, except that it made me think of Hitler's Breed of Perfect People and your vision of perfect animals. My comparison was to point out the irony of your comparison, fwiw. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-23-2009, 01:41 PM	#3
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. [embellishment]"Then they came for the animal owners and I did not speak out because I was not a breeder."[/embellishment] Then they came for me,[embellishment]and my animals[/embellishment] and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-23-2009, 01:42 PM	#4
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	OK. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-23-2009, 01:44 PM	#5
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	You cannot give me visions that do not exist in my mind. I don't have a vision of perfect animals because I am intelligent enough to know there is no such thing. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-23-2009, 01:48 PM	#7
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Brianna no worries, perfection of the soul abounds in animals __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-23-2009, 06:02 PM	#9
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Oh please. Please, Nirvana, tell me you didn't bastardise that powerful statement on fascism to make a point about the 'plight' of dog breeders. I'm sorry, Nirvana, but I find that absurd and distasteful.

03-23-2009, 08:51 PM	#10
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I appreciate your POV Dana I am sorry that you found my way of making a point absurd. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-24-2009, 04:13 PM	#11
Decca Resident Denizen Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: O'ahu, Hawaii Posts: 63	As a once-co-owner of a dog rescue which dealt with the unfortunate aftermath of puppy mills and unwanted dogs, all I'm going to say about this whole mess is that I agree with the concept of creating and enforcing laws governing the existence of puppy mills. The vast majority of pet mills create poorly-bred, faulty, inbred, overpriced pets that are neither suitable as pets or as breeding stock... which is unfortunately where many of the intact puppy mill dogs end up, creating further inferior puppies in a vicious cycle. I have nothing against hobby breeders, who seek to IMPROVE the breed and who (usually) hold themselves to strict guidelines when selecting breeding stock and who (again, usually) either sell their imperfect puppies already fixed, or under a spay/neuter contract. I respect those who devote a good chunk of their lives creating beautiful animals, whether they be dogs, cats, horses, fish, or birds

03-27-2009, 11:24 AM	#12
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I thought this was another thread about Octo-mom. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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