Cellar servers replacement project thread - Page 6

xoxoxoBruce · 04-24-2013, 06:28 PM

What you have is a shoulder bolt, it's only threaded part way either to keep it from going too deep,and hitting something it shouldn't, or to keep from squeezing something too tight... or both.

The bracket shows a big hole Siamese with a little hole. logic would dictate you pop the screw/plastic thingy, into the big hole and slide the sucker over to the small hole, easy peazy. But, if you look at the bracket, each end would have to slide in the opposite direction. Crap. That tells me maybe the Siamese holes are for two different applications. Looks like the small holes are what fits your stuff.

6-32 is as common as stars in the sky, so are rubber grommets, I've got a shitload of both. Are you going to be home tomorrow?

Undertoad · 04-24-2013, 06:34 PM

I think what happens is, you slide the grommets in from the big hole, then slide them over into the little hole. Then you put your drive into place, and then put the 6-32 3/8" through the inner grommet hole, into the hard drive.

I will be home tomorrow morning, waking up around 9, tomorrow afternoon I may go out for errands and whatnot, and then away in the evening. Thank you.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-24-2013, 06:36 PM

I'll get hold of you.

zippyt · 04-24-2013, 10:52 PM

Check these folks out http://www.earsc.com/hddtechniques.asp

http://www.earsc.com/pdfs/shldBlt2.pdf

xoxoxoBruce · 04-24-2013, 11:09 PM

Those are perfect, unfortunately they are manufacturers and don't give any retail links.

Undertoad · 04-25-2013, 11:49 AM

OKAY! Thanks to a visit from xoB and his handy coffee can of grommets and screws, both disk drives are now mounted in the server!! Thanks xoB!!!

Aaaaaaaand it doesn't boot.

Back to the documentation...

xoxoxoBruce · 04-25-2013, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

OKAY! Thanks to a visit from xoB and his handy coffee can of grommets and screws, both disk drives are now mounted in the server!! Thanks xoB!!!

Aaaaaaaand it doesn't boot.

Back to the documentation...

That's why I left as soon as the screwing was done, I don't do kinky booting stuff... unless maybe if you get me drunk first.

Undertoad · 04-25-2013, 12:14 PM

OH! It doesn't boot because the monitor doesn't find it when auto-configuring which input it thinks is "on"

Replace monitor, system boots! Starting configuration.

Undertoad · 04-25-2013, 12:42 PM

Always another hitch dep't. Or rather, always the *next* hitch*, because getting these things done is simply hitch after hitch.

I want to run the two drives in a RAID 1 configuration (mirroring), and the system BIOS has allowed me to create a "virtual disk" showing both drives as one single drive, in hardware.

Unfortunately the first choice of operating systems, Centos, does not recognize the hardware disk controller's wishes and wants to install to the physical disks. If we were lazy, we'd just give up and forget the RAID idea. But we're not, so the project stops for the day with more research is needed.

I expect it will be a case of getting the controller's drivers into the mix as a part of the installation process.

jimhelm · 04-25-2013, 02:38 PM

Why cant I get just one screw. Believe me I know what to do....

Undertoad · 04-25-2013, 03:06 PM

Ah. The PERC 100 RAID controller only works under Windows.

dammit gaw dammit

Very well, we must proceed with SOFTWARE RAID. Less than ideal... but screw it, we must proceed.

BigV · 04-25-2013, 04:40 PM

I have a margarita here with your goddamn name on it. Also a small letter sized package, no ricin/anthrax/cooties though. Come on over and get them both.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-25-2013, 05:15 PM

You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me?

Undertoad · 05-10-2013, 01:08 PM

I'm aiming for Sunday for server installation day. Don't know if it'll make it. This installation has been harder than it should be!

The following will be Greek to 100% of you, but I know you wanted to read about it!

I chose CentOS for a Linux distribution because it supports long term security updates. The installation has not gone perfectly so far. Because this server doesn't come with a DVD drive, I decided to try booting it from USB flash drive, and the details for setting that up are pretty arcane.

(Here it sits on my coffee table, where I had to put it in order to get to a wired ethernet connection, since my router is in my living room and I only had a 10 foot cable. The gibberish on the screen is part of me trying to solve the Flash drive boot problem in longhand.)

It's been many hours trying to convince the system that it should install, because the point where it generally fails is about 15 minutes in, with a lot of keyboard and mouse input needed to get there.

I may try setting up a Windows-based PXE boot which can install software over my local intarwebs. Or I may see if the system can boot from a USB DVD drive. I dunno let's see.

SteveDallas · 05-10-2013, 01:39 PM

Urrgh. Good luck... my experience is, if it doesn't like a USB flash drive, it won't like the USB external drive.

04-24-2013, 06:28 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What you have is a shoulder bolt, it's only threaded part way either to keep it from going too deep,and hitting something it shouldn't, or to keep from squeezing something too tight... or both. The bracket shows a big hole Siamese with a little hole. logic would dictate you pop the screw/plastic thingy, into the big hole and slide the sucker over to the small hole, easy peazy. But, if you look at the bracket, each end would have to slide in the opposite direction. Crap. That tells me maybe the Siamese holes are for two different applications. Looks like the small holes are what fits your stuff. 6-32 is as common as stars in the sky, so are rubber grommets, I've got a shitload of both. Are you going to be home tomorrow? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-24-2013, 06:36 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'll get hold of you. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-24-2013, 10:52 PM	#4
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Check these folks out http://www.earsc.com/hddtechniques.asp http://www.earsc.com/pdfs/shldBlt2.pdf __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

04-24-2013, 11:09 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Those are perfect, unfortunately they are manufacturers and don't give any retail links. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-25-2013, 02:38 PM	#10
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	Why cant I get just one screw. Believe me I know what to do.... __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

04-24-2013, 06:34 PM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I think what happens is, you slide the grommets in from the big hole, then slide them over into the little hole. Then you put your drive into place, and then put the 6-32 3/8" through the inner grommet hole, into the hard drive. I will be home tomorrow morning, waking up around 9, tomorrow afternoon I may go out for errands and whatnot, and then away in the evening. Thank you.

04-25-2013, 11:49 AM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	OKAY! Thanks to a visit from xoB and his handy coffee can of grommets and screws, both disk drives are now mounted in the server!! Thanks xoB!!! Aaaaaaaand it doesn't boot. Back to the documentation...

04-25-2013, 12:14 PM	#8
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	OH! It doesn't boot because the monitor doesn't find it when auto-configuring which input it thinks is "on" Replace monitor, system boots! Starting configuration.

04-25-2013, 12:42 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Always another hitch dep't. Or rather, always the next hitch*, because getting these things done is simply hitch after hitch. I want to run the two drives in a RAID 1 configuration (mirroring), and the system BIOS has allowed me to create a "virtual disk" showing both drives as one single drive, in hardware. Unfortunately the first choice of operating systems, Centos, does not recognize the hardware disk controller's wishes and wants to install to the physical disks. If we were lazy, we'd just give up and forget the RAID idea. But we're not, so the project stops for the day with more research is needed. I expect it will be a case of getting the controller's drivers into the mix as a part of the installation process.

04-25-2013, 03:06 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Ah. The PERC 100 RAID controller only works under Windows. dammit gaw dammit Very well, we must proceed with SOFTWARE RAID. Less than ideal... but screw it, we must proceed.

04-25-2013, 04:40 PM	#12
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I have a margarita here with your goddamn name on it. Also a small letter sized package, no ricin/anthrax/cooties though. Come on over and get them both. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

04-25-2013, 05:15 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-10-2013, 01:08 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm aiming for Sunday for server installation day. Don't know if it'll make it. This installation has been harder than it should be! The following will be Greek to 100% of you, but I know you wanted to read about it! I chose CentOS for a Linux distribution because it supports long term security updates. The installation has not gone perfectly so far. Because this server doesn't come with a DVD drive, I decided to try booting it from USB flash drive, and the details for setting that up are pretty arcane. (Here it sits on my coffee table, where I had to put it in order to get to a wired ethernet connection, since my router is in my living room and I only had a 10 foot cable. The gibberish on the screen is part of me trying to solve the Flash drive boot problem in longhand.) It's been many hours trying to convince the system that it should install, because the point where it generally fails is about 15 minutes in, with a lot of keyboard and mouse input needed to get there. I may try setting up a Windows-based PXE boot which can install software over my local intarwebs. Or I may see if the system can boot from a USB DVD drive. I dunno let's see.

05-10-2013, 01:39 PM	#15
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Urrgh. Good luck... my experience is, if it doesn't like a USB flash drive, it won't like the USB external drive.

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