Illegal Immigrants Are Killing Us - Page 6

09-01-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

Are all of you drinking the same Koolaid? Or is this more of a cult thing? Someone, anyone, just give me this: explain what this mystic thing the Cellar is all about.
Is it a debate site? Is it a place for people to just hang out and chat? Seriously, what is the fucking deal here? This site was recommended to me specifically for the profound and meaningful discussion (no I'm not kidding.)
I get "dickhead, asshole, Nazi, I'll kick your ass, you're stupid, etc, etc." You people want to rumble or what? Are you all friends? Is this a social club? Please, explain it to me. Maybe I got the wrong idea about this place. Let me know, People. "Throw me a friggin bone here, People. I'm the boss. I need the info."

The Cellar is about you get what you give - kind of like life. When I first got on this board, I immediently jumped into a huge argument with everyone. That's what happens if you show up with an attitude and an unorthodox outlook. If you stick around, you may learn about the ignore feature and also begin to figure out that if you start calling people names, you'd better be prepared to get called names right back.

If you are going to take an extreme position, at the very least do it with wit and maybe even a couple of back-up cites for your opinion. Trying to bludgeon people over the head with insults will win you few adherents to your cause. If you look back over a thread and realize that you were being a whiney hippy or a belligerent soldier of fortune, it doesn't hurt to admit to this and make some sort of minimalist apology.

People here will actually sometimes respond intelligently if you post intelligently. They may very intelligently feed your personal sacred cow to the slaughterhouse, too.

Happy Monkey · 09-01-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

Is it a debate site?

Yes

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Is it a place for people to just hang out and chat?

Yes.

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Are you all friends?

Yes, no, sort of. If you mean, in real life, some are some aren't.

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Is this a social club?

Yes.

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Please, explain it to me. Maybe I got the wrong idea about this place.

And maybe I've got the wrong idea about you. I've known perfectly nice people before who had trouble interacting with people.

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Seriously, what is the fucking deal here? This site was recommended to me specifically for the profound and meaningful discussion (no I'm not kidding.)

I'm not surprised. That's really what sets this place apart. However, it's a give and take. You've gotta give meaningful discussion to get it. Looking back at your post history, it looks like you started OK (though dangerously, with a poem), got wobbly with the blaming of PC on Clinton, and fell over when you got in a pissing match with Radar.

Pissing matches are for advanced Dwellars only.

BigV · 09-01-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

Are all of you drinking the same Koolaid? Or is this more of a cult thing? Someone, anyone, just give me this: explain what this mystic thing the Cellar is all about.

--snip--

I get "dickhead, asshole, Nazi, I'll kick your ass, you're stupid, etc, etc." You people want to rumble or what? Are you all friends? Is this a social club? Please, explain it to me. Maybe I got the wrong idea about this place. Let me know, People. "Throw me a friggin bone here, People. I'm the boss. I need the info."

And since I'm one of the Family now, Radar enough with the private emails of you on the horse with the thing on your.....and the stuff on your ....I'm not interested.

Again with the insults...

Short answer: you reap what you sow.

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Seriously, what is the fucking deal here? This site was recommended to me specifically for the profound and meaningful discussion (no I'm not kidding.)

Well, why don't you ask the person who made the recommendation? We're not hiding anything here, we haven't become something different in your presence than what we were before (and after, I reckon). We know *squat* about you, save what you've posted and we've read in the past couple of days. You're being treated accordingly.

You apparently know *squat* about us, too. But that simply can not be because you have so little to go on. More than 8000 threads and 20 times that number of posts and you've read how much? And from what you've read, how does it compare with the tenor of the discussions of which you've been a part? I see no inconsistency.

So if the profound and meaningful discussions aren't floating your boat, maybe you should consider the source of the recommendation. Maybe you've been punked! I would make the same recommendation, I have made the same recommendation, but only to people who would "get it". You have a lot of control over whether or not you're in that group. It's a self selecting group; are you in or are you out?

Ero · 09-01-2005, 04:31 PM

Nicotine...

I'm not here to insult you but to be serious. I did not completely read the topic but i read a few pages so correct me if i'm wrong.

It seems you hate immigrants from Mexico (I know the situation; I had a project on it in school a few years ago) because they are stealing the jobs from the common American inhabitants. But the problem is, in my point of view, that the world is one big lump of... well... earth, and we have all been put here as humans (whoever did that; great job...), all looking for a meaning in their life and trying to make it enjoyable. But if we keep seeing people from other countries as different species, cause that's what most of us are doing, we're not going to get very far. The world is one big country in my point of view and this might be an idealistic view but we should try to treat eachother that way.

Mexico is a poor country, at least most of the people life under bad circumstances. Their neighbours on the other hand, America, are very wealthy in many points of view. So how can you ever expect those poor Mexicans not to want going to America if the level of welfare there is so much higher as in their homeland. You can't blame them. At least I can't. We should all work together to make the world a better place and banning people from other countries out of your country isn't the way (in my point of view). It might seem like a great idea at first but over time it will only cause more problems as we see with the illegal immigrants.

Second, I think the foremost reason of being angry at the immigrants for the bad state of your own life is projection. Projecting your own unhappiness about the way things are going on a scarecrow, which in these case is the Mexican population. This is very primitive in my point of view.

If you take any of this as an insult; it wasn't meant that way.

Think about it...

BigV · 09-01-2005, 04:31 PM

very temporary. Like only until ng finds his way back into whatever echo chamber where he's accustomed to posting. Where he's accustomed to hearing the sound of his own voice and others in perfect harmony. That's the principal cause for his obvious unease here. We don't all think like him; we don't all think alike. Poor guy.

Ero · 09-01-2005, 04:59 PM

I'm brand new here and even I am bothered with the statements you make. You asked why? Well... I saw you didn't even took the time to read my last post on this topic where I explained in my best words why I think your vision is closed-minded. Take time to read it and you'll at least know why I think you've acted like a fool. I can't speak for the others 'cause i've only been here since... today.

lumberjim · 09-01-2005, 05:33 PM

<--wonders if NG has razor blades on his thumbnails

NICOTINEGUN · 09-02-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

<--wonders if NG has razor blades on his thumbnails

Should I begin with the enormous one on top of your shoulders and then use the one between your legs as a toothpick?

Thanks for the laugh.

lookout123 · 09-02-2005, 09:29 AM

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Obviously, you guys don't feel the same about the immigration problem as I do.

and that statement right there is what we are talking about. you obviously haven't spent much time browsing through old posts because if you had you would realize there are a number of us who are extremely concerned about illegal immigration. what makes the cellar different than most boards is that, for the most part, we try to avoid pissing on each other's shoes while discussing issues. insults out. rational post in. your condescension is what ignited the little shitstorm around you.

something to keep in mind in the cellar (and life, general): no matter how smart, good, educated, funny you think you are, someone in here is more of those things. that is life. stick around awhile, quit trying to talk down to people and you may just realize that there is a lot of knowledge traded in the cellar.

capnhowdy · 09-01-2005, 06:09 PM

maybe if we stop feeding him he'll go away. It worked for that puny, mangy mutt that was hanging around my house last month.
What was this thread about anyway?

Happy Monkey · 09-01-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

maybe if we stop feeding him he'll go away. It worked for that puny, mangy mutt that was hanging around my house last month.

Urbane Guerrilla?

Hobbs · 09-01-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

maybe if we stop feeding him he'll go away...

Don't make him go away. The one benifit he has for me is that all this makes me feel better about the first time I entered the Cellar. Changing my member name after 15 or so posts, you would've thought I was the biggest assclown on the planet. I guess it can be worse. Thanks NIC.

The problem NIC is that you come across as combative right out of the chute. Before you get to know anyone, expose your personality to anyone here, you come across as angry and looking for a fight. People tend to forget that just because this is all done online and not in person, that social rules do not apply. It's like if you walked into a room full of people you hadn't met before, and before you even introduced yourself, you announced, "What dipshit here believes we ought to close the borders." You don't know who your talking to. You dont know what race the people here are.

lookout123 · 09-01-2005, 08:36 PM

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call him uneducated

wow, NG - once again you've managed to skim through a post, pull out only one sentence, filter it through your delusions and go off on a tangent because you missed the point of the post. good job.

seakdivers · 09-02-2005, 04:03 PM

I am not a part of this thread at all, but I wanted to butt in and thank lumberjim for the link to one of the funniest things I have seen on this forum yet!

That "Rich" guy was too much!! lolololol freakin' unbelievable!

capnhowdy · 09-02-2005, 04:19 PM

welcome to the cellar seakdivers. Check out Lily if you want to read up on another funny troll.

09-01-2005, 04:31 PM	#4
Ero Musician Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nijmegen, the Netherlands. Posts: 14	Nicotine... I'm not here to insult you but to be serious. I did not completely read the topic but i read a few pages so correct me if i'm wrong. It seems you hate immigrants from Mexico (I know the situation; I had a project on it in school a few years ago) because they are stealing the jobs from the common American inhabitants. But the problem is, in my point of view, that the world is one big lump of... well... earth, and we have all been put here as humans (whoever did that; great job...), all looking for a meaning in their life and trying to make it enjoyable. But if we keep seeing people from other countries as different species, cause that's what most of us are doing, we're not going to get very far. The world is one big country in my point of view and this might be an idealistic view but we should try to treat eachother that way. Mexico is a poor country, at least most of the people life under bad circumstances. Their neighbours on the other hand, America, are very wealthy in many points of view. So how can you ever expect those poor Mexicans not to want going to America if the level of welfare there is so much higher as in their homeland. You can't blame them. At least I can't. We should all work together to make the world a better place and banning people from other countries out of your country isn't the way (in my point of view). It might seem like a great idea at first but over time it will only cause more problems as we see with the illegal immigrants. Second, I think the foremost reason of being angry at the immigrants for the bad state of your own life is projection. Projecting your own unhappiness about the way things are going on a scarecrow, which in these case is the Mexican population. This is very primitive in my point of view. If you take any of this as an insult; it wasn't meant that way. Think about it... __________________ DON'T take life too seriously, or it could become a nuisance

09-01-2005, 04:31 PM	#5
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	very temporary. Like only until ng finds his way back into whatever echo chamber where he's accustomed to posting. Where he's accustomed to hearing the sound of his own voice and others in perfect harmony. That's the principal cause for his obvious unease here. We don't all think like him; we don't all think alike. Poor guy. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

09-01-2005, 04:59 PM	#6
Ero Musician Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nijmegen, the Netherlands. Posts: 14	I'm brand new here and even I am bothered with the statements you make. You asked why? Well... I saw you didn't even took the time to read my last post on this topic where I explained in my best words why I think your vision is closed-minded. Take time to read it and you'll at least know why I think you've acted like a fool. I can't speak for the others 'cause i've only been here since... today. __________________ DON'T take life too seriously, or it could become a nuisance

09-01-2005, 05:33 PM	#7
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	<--wonders if NG has razor blades on his thumbnails __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

09-01-2005, 06:09 PM	#10
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	maybe if we stop feeding him he'll go away. It worked for that puny, mangy mutt that was hanging around my house last month. What was this thread about anyway? __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

09-02-2005, 04:03 PM	#14
seakdivers Icy Queen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southeast Alaska Posts: 700	I am not a part of this thread at all, but I wanted to butt in and thank lumberjim for the link to one of the funniest things I have seen on this forum yet! That "Rich" guy was too much!! lolololol freakin' unbelievable! Last edited by seakdivers; 09-02-2005 at 04:05 PM. Reason: whoops - word drop

09-02-2005, 04:19 PM	#15
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	welcome to the cellar seakdivers. Check out Lily if you want to read up on another funny troll. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

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