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I think this line's mostly filler.
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Be sure to keep your face out of my fisty areas...
joking, joking. I just wanted to say "fisty areas".
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I'll throw you a life-line, though: go off on a semantical tangent focused on the qualifier "long term" . . .
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08-12-2006, 01:12 PM
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Mentioning slavery only shows your own ignorance.
None of the people working for any of these companies is a slave. Slaves didn't apply for the work, weren't paid money in compensation, and weren't allowed to leave anytime they want. The people working for Nike aren't beaten when they don't work, and aren't bought and sold. As far as long term profit goes, let's discuss slavery in America since it was the most recent. In the short term it was profitable, but in the long run, they lost the lives of most of their men, had their cities burned down, and lost just about everything. Let's look at American business. Ethics violations have cost Boeing BILLIONS of dollars in lost revenue and work. How much do you think Enron or MCI stock is worth today? Why are they worthless? Because there is no long term profit in unethical business. Compare this to truly ethical and socially responble businesses like Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Siemens, etc. who employ millions and bring high quality and affordable products to the masses, while at the same time making a decent amount of profit.
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08-12-2006, 01:13 PM
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Maybe you think this is ethical and socially responsible? http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13550 And this isn't slavery? http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13514 I am an accountant and financial analyst so my business is your business's bottom line. I work with and for some of the largest real estate developers and investment holding companies in the US. I know damn well that it is possible to be financially successful without resorting to some of the practices certain corporations do. Stormie
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It disproves your flawed theory that you cannot make a profit by harming people. Quote:
Harming people is profitable. It always has been, and it always will be. That is an easily demonstrated reality. Quote:
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08-12-2006, 02:44 PM
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Do you honestly expect me to respond to lies and propaganda spread by socialists as though they had even the slightest bit of truth to them? Also, even if these things were true, the companies mentioned like Wal-Mart, Kohls, etc. are not doing them. Some local company in a third world country is. Eventually they will be shut down, because the FACT is, there is no long term profit in doing business unethically.
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08-12-2006, 02:46 PM
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It does seem much more "factual" in all-caps.
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08-12-2006, 02:47 PM
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They all went down in flames, because the public became aware of their dishonesty as always happens. Also, I didn't say you can't make a profit by harming people. I said there is no LONG TERM profit in doing business unethically, which is a fact.
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08-12-2006, 02:48 PM
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08-12-2006, 02:50 PM
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That should be a great comfort to the people who are harmed by unethical businesses.
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08-12-2006, 07:35 PM
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I think this line's mostly filler.
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08-13-2006, 02:42 AM
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The crux of the matter lies in the timely exposure of the alleged abuses. Many people will, given the knowlege and power to do so, avoid doing business with companies they find morally reprehensible. For example, I always prefer to buy from a company that operates completely within the US as opposed to ones that manufacture in Indonesia or China because its often impossible to uncover abusive labor practices in those places. You can't ignore plain middle class apathy though, I doubt that a big enough chunk of WalMart shoppers would boycott them due to unfair business. Many people just don't care anymore. Put everything together and unethical business can be easily whitewashed with a good enough PR campaign and media control.
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