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What are they? What is that end state? Is it possible you don't really beleive in it either?
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I believe peace is possible, as much as it was possible in N-Irleand. Basically it all reverts to 1967.
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It was a causus belli then.
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I think Hippikos gets his internet access at work. I wonder if he's paid for his propagandizing online? If so, I hope he's not paid for answering my last question, because he didn't.
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ah...Maggie... mother of innuendo. As usual your response only adresses the messenger and not the message.
I have internet access both at work and at home and wished I got paid for my writings. Maybe you can make me an offer I can't refuse? As for your question; pls try to read my messages instead of only looking at it, your answer was responded to. Have a nice day!
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"I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68 "Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan stated] 'They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.'" The New York Times, May 11, 1997. Israel has a legacy of provocations in order to excuse their expensionism. In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism." And not to forget the bombing of US Liberty in order to provocate US into war with Egypt. Quote:
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Yes, the only way you can paint the 67 war as offensive is to cherry-pick quotes here and there.
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MaggieL; again, it all goes back to the 1967 borders. It has been stated by all parties concerned that these borders are acceptable to all. Which means peace in the area. But, I have to repeat myself in your case; that means concessions from Israel and we know that they don't negotiate, they impose actions unilaterally. Their "unilateral" withdrawal from Gaza (in which they're back again) was a well calculated strategy to increase their territory on the West Bank. 7000 settlers at the end were impossible to protect without collossal efforts and costs. Just a matter of cost and balances.
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I'm also envisioning a slot machine as designed by an anti-Israelite (there's too much shell game to use a more precise label than that). You put a coin in and launch an attack...I mean...you pull the lever. If you win something, you get to keep it. If you don't, the UN imposes a cease-fire, you get your coin back and try again in five years.
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You know what? I'm not really evading that question at all. To show you what I mean, I'll answer it.
WHAT WOULD I DO IF MY HOME WAS CONFISCATED. If my home was confiscated, I'd be really, really steaming mad. I'd start by bringing my grievances to the governments involved, the local government and the federal government. I'd both question the legitimacy of the UN and demand to speak to the UN to try to reverse the situation. I would use every bit of power I could find. Up to, and not including, taking up arms to kill people. I'd ask Jacquelita if I could move in with her. If her house was confiscated, I'd suggest that we move to our mom's houses, if our moms were agreeable. If that didn't fly, I'd call my friends in California and ask if we could hang for a while until we got jobs. After a while, the reality of moving on with my life would overwhelm the anger at being uprooted. I would get a job, get productive. I'd watch comedies. I would still work to affect the politics that led to the situation, which is to say I would try to end the UN, and ask for some level of reparations from the new owner. I would still try to use every bit of power I could find. Up to, and not including, taking up arms to kill people. After a number of years, I would simply try to make the most of my life, because it makes no sense to harbor such anger. If I had children, I would tell them that those people took our house, which made life tough for a while; but I would also tell them that a lingering, resentful anger is unproductive. I'd tell them that it is far more important to bring about a culture of respect for property and people. And that to bring about such a culture is the ultimate revenge and the sensible response to what has happened. In teaching my children, I would point to the highest moral examples, such as Gandhi, and if I were Christian I'd use the example of Jesus, to show how sometimes there is a greater value in turning the other cheek to our adversaries. Now, the question right back at you. I've answered, so you please answer. What would YOU do if your home was confiscated? Would you kill the confiscators? Would you kill their grandchildren? "...and that's why international terrorism is justified." Now you see how I came to that reply. |
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When they start putting my children in camps, keeping me from jobs to feed them, keeping us from having equal medical supplies for them, then killing them in retaliation for something someone else did... yup, after a while... I may want to kill em' all. I may want them to feel just like I do in hopes that they would stop. If they know what it feels like they may stop. It would be my only weapon.
I hope that it would not be my reaction, but if it was all I know... yes, it probably would be & a rational one. |
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