A Town Willing To Enforce The Law

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How does that explain the 16 million already here, tw? Your numbers say we can send 14 million home and you still won't have to pay more for your precious veggies ...... or is it fruits and nuts?:p

I just noticed the "mostly avoid social services", talk about blatent lies, as the NUMBERS presented in this thread have already proven.

He is talking out his ass Bruce. Ignore him, he has no plan.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

How does everyone know TheMercenary is posting lies? He cannot even touch a damning number. His solution: ignore those realities. Hold TheMercenary's feet to that fire and he will run. He has to. 1.8 million are necessary; cannot be found elsewhere - unless we take in the 2 million Iraqi refugees that America created. But again TheMercenary let slip his fears and hate of others. Those 2 million Iraqi refugees are also evil. We must keep them out of America – as we did with so many Vietnamese boat people.

Crops rotting because TheMercenary advocates wacko extremists laws rather then fix a problem. 29,000 permits when 1.8 million are needed means one who fears anyone of a different color, race, or religion must protect those wacko extremist restrictions.

Why do we have an immigration problem? Notice how TheMercenary will do anything to avoid reality - America desperately needs those 1.8 million workers. People who pay taxes (withheld in their pay) and never get a refund because they are immigrants - therefore enrich governments. Just another fact that TheMercenary forgets to mention. People who mostly avoid all social services for fear of being caught. Just another reason to maintain wacko extremist restrictions; to pervert the rights of 1.8 million necessary workers. Notice how he also forgets to mention that illegal immigrant workers mean even more government funds - not less.

TW why the personal attacks? You don't like the message do you. Facts are facts. Illegal immigrants are breaking the back of our economy. Many aspects of our society have integrated thier role in field work and other jobs where employers get out of paying fair wages and insurance to legal workers, sure enough. We need to establish a firm policy and get these people on a work visa program where everyone is documented and monitored for compliance with our laws. All the rest need to go and go now. All illegal felons need to be kicked out and sent back to their country of origin now. These people are feed off the hind tit of our societies social programs and the are talking entitlements away from legal residents who deserve them. They have no rights under our Constitution. Illegals go home, come back when you are fully registered. There should be NO free rides.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Hold TheMercenary's feet to that fire and he will run. Notice how TheMercenary will do anything to avoid reality - America desperately needs those 1.8 million workers. People who pay taxes (withheld in their pay) and never get a refund because they are immigrants - therefore enrich governments. Just another fact that TheMercenary forgets to mention.

What a load of crap. Employers do not withhold taxes from their pay if they a re illegal. Where the hell did you get that little ditty??? Are you illegal??? Taxes withheld and then passed on the the government??? You want us to believe that an employer is going to withhold taxes, send them to the govenment so they can tell the govenment that the are employing undocumented workers??!?!?! are you off your rocker. No one is going to do that and no one does it.

Ok lets compromise, 1.8 million go on an guest worker program immediatly and all the rest go home including their families, grandmothers, aunts, uncles, and brothers sisters cousins. That would be fair. And then get their employers to start to pay for their health insurance.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What a load of crap. Employers do not withhold taxes from their pay if they a re illegal. Where the hell did you get that little ditty??? Are you illegal??? Taxes withheld and then passed on the the government??? You want us to believe that an employer is going to withhold taxes, send them to the govenment so they can tell the govenment that the are employing undocumented workers??!?!?! are you off your rocker. No one is going to do that and no one does it.

Ok lets compromise, 1.8 million go on an guest worker program immediatly and all the rest go home including their families, grandmothers, aunts, uncles, and brothers sisters cousins. That would be fair. And then get their employers to start to pay for their health insurance.

What we did (I grew-up working for a company the used illegals) was worked several illegals, up to ten or twelve, under one fake, sometimes real, SS# and hid most of what we paid them, so only a tenth or less of what we paid them would show and get taxed. Hell, then only half the time.
Health ins. LOL!!!!
I know why it is so bad because I have been in it first hand. If we had to find and pay legal workers decent wages we would have and could have. That we could not have is a lie, it is that simple.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by tw

People who pay taxes (withheld in their pay) and never get a refund because they are immigrants - therefore enrich governments.

Come on, you really think that a million migrant workers are all using fake Social Security numbers instead of just getting paid in cash? A very small number of illegals have proper paychecks and have taxes withheld (under someone else's valid SSN--which, incidentally, doesn't mean the government gets the money for free, it just means someone else gets the credit and the extra refund); the vast majority are paid in cash.

[piercehawkeye45]

Illegals work other jobs too, not just on fields.

Also, even though I would guess that illegals are paid in cash (no idea), they still have sales tax and that so isn't like they are getting away with everything. This is also the reason why we should encourage them to become citizens. They already have jobs so if they become legal citizens, we will be able to tax them fairly.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Illegals work other jobs too, not just on fields.

Also, even though I would guess that illegals are paid in cash (no idea), they still have sales tax and that so isn't like they are getting away with everything. This is also the reason why we should encourage them to become citizens. They already have jobs so if they become legal citizens, we will be able to tax them fairly.

I don't want them to become citizens until the do all the things currently required by the system. I want them to be guest workers. A sales tax is not a replacement for income tax. I wish it were. And I wish all I had to pay was the current sales tax and not tax on my earnings. Fed, state, medicare/medicade, and sales tax. Ad valorum tax on cars, and other toys. The list goes on. They get to send all those earnings home out of the country and out of the economy. There is no comparison. None.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I don't want them to become citizens until the do all the things currently required by the system. I want them to be guest workers.

Then TheMercenary wants wacko laws removed so that 1.8 million farm workers can work legally. But that is exactly the opposite of hate posted by TheMercenary previously. Why the sudden change of heart? Is extremism that difficult to maintain? Or maybe TheMercenary wants it both ways?

Meanwhile, this nation has 1.8 million illegal farm workers because it only issues 29,000 visas. Illegal immigration is not the problem. The problem are the same laws that also leave 2 million 'American created' Iraqi refugees with no place to go.

Problem is not the illegals. Problems are laws that people such as TheMercenary want.

Meanwhile what does America do with more immigrants that wacko extremists Americans created. One in five people now in Jordan is an Iraqi refugee. America created them. Instead, our wacko administration dumps our refugees onto other nations. We should be taking in 2 million Iraqis - if a compassionate conservative was not lying.

[xoxoxoBruce]

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 14 MILLION, tw?

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What a load of crap. Employers do not withhold taxes from their pay if they a re illegal. Where the hell did you get that little ditty???

From the IRS, maybe? Look up ITIN on their website. Millions of immigrants have them. Our own government estimates that BILLIONS of dollars are paid in taxes by undocumented immigrants.

Did you get that article you posted from NewsMax.com? That's like me posting an opinion piece from Mother Jones. And excuse me if I don't trust any numbers that come out of the "Federation for American Immigration Reform"--they aren't exactly unbiased.

You're complaining about 'your' tax dollars paying for this and that, but what do you think would pay for all this 'action' you're calling for?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

They get to send all those earnings home out of the country and out of the economy.

Last I checked, money that any worker earns belongs to him/her, to do with what he/she sees fit. Undocumented immigrants are far from being the only workers who send money out of the country, anyway.

[Happy Monkey]

Actually, at their wages they wouldn't be paying income tax even if they were legal. And they do pay sales tax and property tax (via rent). And, as mentioned before, the ones with fake SSNs pay payroll tax.

[Ibby]

For starters, TheMercenary, you DO know that advocating that the government interfere in business by making the businesses not hire illegal immigrants is the very definition of not-conservative, right?

Make up your mind. Are you conservative or not?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Ibram

For starters, TheMercenary, you DO know that advocating that the government interfere in business by making the businesses not hire illegal immigrants is the very definition of not-conservative, right?

Make up your mind. Are you conservative or not?

I am NOT a conservative on each and every issue. I will not and I don't think most people are pigeon-holed into this and that. I want the government to hold all businesses that hire illegals collective feet to the fire.

[TheMercenary]

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200704/world-in-numbers

[piercehawkeye45]

I don't blame them. They are working with what they got. The only way to solve this is to find a way that will help both of us, which doesn't seem like the kind of answer America is looking for right now.