The Federal Government Has No Immigration Powers

[Radar]

Federation for American Immigration Reform
Washington, D.C.
www.fairus.org

Founded in 1978 by John H. Tanton, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is one of the country's best-established anti-immigration groups — and the richest beneficiary among them of the largesse of the infamous Pioneer Fund.

The Fund, which has long subsidized dubious studies of the alleged links between race and intelligence, awarded FAIR $1.2 million between 1985 and 1994, according to the Institute for the Study of Academic Racism. FAIR now says that it has severed its links to the controversial Fund.

Today, FAIR claims a staggering 70,000 members, although that number is almost certainly inflated. Tanton remains on FAIR's board and also is the publisher of The Social Contract Press, which sells racist anti-immigrant tracts.

Dan Stein, the group's executive director, has warned that certain immigrant groups are engaged in "competitive breeding" aimed at diminishing white power. Rick Oltman, FAIR's western representative, has spoken before and worked with the racist Council of Conservative Citizens.

Garrett Hardin, a FAIR board member, has argued that aiding starving Africans is counterproductive and will only "encourage population growth." Overall, FAIR blames immigrants for crime, poverty, disease, urban sprawl and increasing racial tensions in America, and calls for a drastic cut in the numbers of those allowed in.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Radar

If you can't find the racist in the room, it's probably you.

No, 'dar, I don't spend my time "finding" racists. Maybe if you spend your time finding racists in rooms, it's probably you. Being a maniac. Obssessed with the idea that all whiteys are racists.

Oh illegal immigration does exist my dear, to your chagrin!



Oh, and try to insinuate that I am a racist again, and see what happens, you ***-**** ****-****.

That makes me angry. As you can see. Not because "because it's true" kind of angry. The angry that says that "you don't know what the fuck you are talking about" kind of angry.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Federation for American Immigration Reform
Washington, D.C.
www.fairus.org

The problem with your whine is that the majority of things they post are well footnoted and referenced. For example:

Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Cicero

No, 'dar, I don't spend my time "finding" racists. Maybe if you spend your time finding racists in rooms, it's probably you. Being a maniac. Obssessed with the idea that all whiteys are racists.

That's a racist comment. I have never said that "all" of anyone are anything. I've said that a large percentage (perhaps the majority) of those who support the blatantly unconstitutional federal immigration laws in America are racist...and yes, they absolutely are without any doubt, 100% unconstitutional and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or an idiot.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Oh illegal immigration does exist my dear, to your chagrin!

Yes, illegal immigration does exist, just not in America where our founders didn't grant the federal government any authority to create or enforce immigration laws and where they actually prohibited the federal government from doing so.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Oh, and try to insinuate that I am a racist again, and see what happens, you ***-**** ****-****.

You'll cry?

The fact remains that all federal immigration laws and the departments who enforce them are 100% unconstitutional...PERIOD. This means that those who accuse undocumented and completely legal immigrants who come here of being "illegals", they are doing so because they are...

A) Stupid

B) Racist

or

C) Liars

You are one of these. If I was wrong with racist, you're probably just stupid or a liar, or hell, you could be all three.

Originally Posted by Cicero

That makes me angry. As you can see. Not because "because it's true" kind of angry. The angry that says that "you don't know what the fuck you are talking about" kind of angry.

I know how you feel. I am used to seeing that every time some idiot claims undocumented immigration is illegal or posts bogus statistics from fake or racist organizations like fairus.org or loudobbs.com, etc

None of these people has any fucking clue what they are talking about.

[regular.joe]

This discussion has certainly taken a strange turn.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by regular.joe

This discussion has certainly taken a strange turn.

Hardly a discussion. We are all just waiting for him to blow up. He will be on the news one day after conducting a mass shooting in his local post office.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The problem with your whine is that the majority of things they post are well footnoted and referenced. For example:

Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf

The problem with your stupidity and intellectual dishonesty (assuming you've even got enough brain cells to use the word "intellectual" to describe you) is you don't even read your own posts.

In GAO document you posted, they define criminal alien as...

Noncitizens who are residing in the United States LEGALLY or illegally and convicted of a crime.

As I stated earlier, prisons don't keep track of the number of undocumented immigrants. They only keep track of non-citizens who have committed crimes. While I contend that over half of these crimes are committed by those who are here with papers, we can divide by half the number you posted.

This means in all U.S. Prisons there were 38,500 undocumented immigrants in all of America's prisons. According to most of the racist, lying, xenophobic, and retarded sites that your ilk use there are over 20 million undocumented immigrants in America. This means less than a quarter of 1 percent of undocumented immigrants are convicted of crimes.

According to this New York Times Article from 5 days ago, the U.S. has 2,258,983 criminals behind bars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us...hp&oref=slogin

Let's subtract the 38,500 undocumented immigrants from this number to get 2,220,483. The U.S. Population is 301,139,947. Subtract 20 million for undocumented immigrants so you have 281,139,947. This means we have 789 American citizens per 1000 in the population who are criminals. There are 193 undocumented immigrants per 1000 in the population of undocumented immigrants who are criminals.

American citizens are more than 4 times as likely to be criminals than undocumented immigrants.

If you realize that 11% of our federal prisoners are there for not complying with unconstitutional federal immigration laws (aka non-criminals) that number becomes significantly higher.

Undocumented immigrants are overwhelmingly less likely to commit crimes than American citizens and they most certainly are not the ones filling our jails.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Radar

You'll cry?

The fact remains that all federal immigration laws and the departments who enforce them are 100% unconstitutional...PERIOD. This means that those who accuse undocumented and completely legal immigrants who come here of being "illegals", they are doing so because they are...

A) Stupid

B) Racist

or

C) Liars

You are one of these. If I was wrong with racist, you're probably just stupid or a liar, or hell, you could be all three.

What's that you whining little bitch? You forgot the third option:

D) Not stupid enough, liar enough, or racist enough to fall for any of your shit.

You are sitting there with your thumb directly up your ass. That doesn't make me any of those choices.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

The problem with your stupidity and intellectual dishonesty (assuming you've even got enough brain cells to use the word "intellectual" to describe you) is you don't even read your own posts.

In GAO document you posted, they define criminal alien as...

Noncitizens who are residing in the United States LEGALLY or illegally and convicted of a crime.

As I stated earlier, prisons don't keep track of the number of undocumented immigrants. They only keep track of non-citizens who have committed crimes. While I contend that over half of these crimes are committed by those who are here with papers, we can divide by half the number you posted.

This means in all U.S. Prisons there were 38,500 undocumented immigrants in all of America's prisons. According to most of the racist, lying, xenophobic, and retarded sites that your ilk use there are over 20 million undocumented immigrants in America. This means less than a quarter of 1 percent of undocumented immigrants are convicted of crimes.

According to this New York Times Article from 5 days ago, the U.S. has 2,258,983 criminals behind bars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us...hp&oref=slogin

Let's subtract the 38,500 undocumented immigrants from this number to get 2,220,483. The U.S. Population is 301,139,947. Subtract 20 million for undocumented immigrants so you have 281,139,947. This means we have 789 American citizens per 1000 in the population who are criminals. There are 193 undocumented immigrants per 1000 in the population of undocumented immigrants who are criminals.

American citizens are more than 4 times as likely to be criminals than undocumented immigrants.

If you realize that 11% of our federal prisoners are there for not complying with unconstitutional federal immigration laws (aka non-criminals) that number becomes significantly higher.

Undocumented immigrants are overwhelmingly less likely to commit crimes than American citizens and they most certainly are not the ones filling our jails.

Does not change the fact that illegal aliens cost this country billions more than they contribute. It would not matter if they were a mere 10% of the prison population. How many they are is less of an issue than how much they are costing us.

From the GAO report:

Data represent only a portion of the total population of criminal aliens who may be incarcerated at the local level, since SCAAP does not reimburse localities for all criminal aliens.

And yes they do keep track of the numbers, page 13:

State and local jurisdictions voluntarily submit data annually on inmates they suspect to be criminal aliens for possible reimbursement. The program reimburses these jurisdictions for criminal aliens who

• were convicted of a felony or two misdemeanors and incarcerated for a minimum of 4 days and
• entered the U.S. without inspection, or were in immigration removal proceedings at the time they were taken into custody; or were admitted as a nonimmigrant and failed to maintain nonimmigrant status.1 {Illegal Aliens}

[TheMercenary]

Hate to burst your bubble again but they do keep track of the data on Illegal Aliens:

ILLEGAL ALIENS
Assessing Estimates of
Financial Burden on
California

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1995/he95022.pdf

360 MILLION DOLLARS and that was in 1994! {just for prisons}

Medicade took a bigger hit.

[TheMercenary]

The Wall Street Journal:

The Underground Economy
Illegal Immigrants and Others Working Off the Books Cost the U.S. Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in Unpaid Taxes

http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/05ap...nderground.htm

[jinx]

Do they keep any stats on how many get under the table jobs and send the money home versus how many join gangs and sell drugs?

[TheMercenary]

Huge problem:

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by jinx

Do they keep any stats on how many get under the table jobs and send the money home versus how many join gangs and sell drugs?

Or the ones that do both?

The funniest thing I have seen: A woman paid under her ex-husband's name and social. (all of it was fake however)
For 17 years.

Any stats on that?

Not that it's funny. Because fraud isn't f'ing funny.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by jinx

Do they keep any stats on how many get under the table jobs and send the money home versus how many join gangs and sell drugs?

That would be a bit hard to track. There is information about how much money goes out vs stays here to be taxed.

"It was not uncommon for the illegal aliens to make it clear that they were here for one purpose and one purpose alone, to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible and send it all home."
http://www.newswithviews.com/Cutler/michael23.htm

On Gangs:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/world-in-numbers