Spending for health care - Page 7

TGRR · 02-14-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If you've got something for that mechanic to do.

When I do, I hire one. But there's no need for me to spend a few million per employee.

Especially when that few million is actually just going to vanish.

TheMercenary · 02-14-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

We lost 623,000 jobs last month.

And how much of this bill is going to vanish along the way?

Well you just let ole Redux know that 20 jobs were created in MA after millions spent so he can feel better about making a bunch of IT savy docs multi-millionares will ya?

TGRR · 02-14-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well you just let ole Redux know that 20 jobs were created in MA after millions spent so he can feel better about making a bunch of IT savy docs multi-millionares will ya?

02-14-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well you just let ole Redux know that 20 jobs were created in MA after millions spent so he can feel better about making a bunch of IT savy docs multi-millionares will ya?

Too late now...its a done deal!

Some IT companies are gonna provide jobs and get richer in the process...and the Obama administration is gonna take over your life

classicman · 02-15-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Too late now...its a done deal!

Some IT companies are gonna provide jobs and get richer in the process...and the Obama administration is gonna take over your life

AHA!

02-15-2009, 12:27 AM

TGRR · 02-15-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Too funny.

TheMercenary · 02-15-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Redux

Too late now...its a done deal!

Some IT companies are gonna provide jobs and get richer in the process...and the Obama administration is gonna take over your life

yep, you said it bro, and I can't wait to blame them for the next 4 years of fuckups and failures.

TGRR · 02-15-2009, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

yep, you said it bro, and I can't wait to blame them for the next 4 years of fuckups and failures.

Should be as much fun as the last 8 years of fuckups and failures, anyway.

TheMercenary · 02-15-2009, 12:45 AM

Yea turn around is certainly fairplay. As long as it goes both ways I am cool with it.

TGRR · 02-15-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea turn around is certainly fairplay. As long as it goes both ways I am cool with it.

I hate both sides. When Bush was in, I ripped on him...because he was The Beast. A big, stupid brute with the morals of a shark and the political instinct of a syphilis spirochete. But in the end, he was a monster we could live with, albeit in a most embarrassed fashion.

But that isn't what we've elected this time, is it? Ho ho!

TheMercenary · 02-15-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

I hate both sides. When Bush was in, I ripped on him...because he was The Beast. A big, stupid brute with the morals of a shark and the political instinct of a syphilis spirochete. But in the end, he was a monster we could live with, albeit in a most embarrassed fashion.

But that isn't what we've elected this time, is it? Ho ho!

whore is right.

Flint · 02-15-2009, 10:00 PM

People, here's the reality: you can't even pull up your x-rays from hospital A while you're at hospital B, even if hospital B is right across the street--much less another state. The two simplest reasons that spring to mind are NOT because we haven't invested billions into healthcare IT (because, believe me, we have).

They are: #1 Hospitals view your medial information as proprietary business data. Sure, you can sign a HIPAA form to get the data released, but they sure aren't going to let a BUSINESS COMPETIOR (i.e. another hospital) have free, unfettered access to data that they had to make an investment of time and money generate. To put it simply: HOSPITALS DO NOT WANT TO SHARE YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS. It's not a smart business choice.

And: #2 If the hundred hospitals from this county, and the next, and the next, and the thousands from the next state over, and so on and so forth, wanted to share your medical records... HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE? We are still struggling with getting every department WITHIN THE SAME FACILITY to use a common medical record number. It's not that the interoperability standards aren't attempting to deal with this, but what good are these efforts when the technology vendors fight to maintain the proprietray nature of their systems, so that you are compelled not to purchase another brand, lest you have to deal with a costly migration to untangle all the proprietary data you've been storing?

This is just an off-the-cuff rant; but the point is that this kind of thing IS MY JOB. This is what I do every day. There is no magic solution that a few billion dollars or a few hundred billion dollars is going to bring about. The healthcare industry is designed NOT to share data.

TheMercenary · 02-15-2009, 10:28 PM

here, here.

Flint · 02-15-2009, 10:30 PM

Just one man's viewpoint from squarely within a situation which is probably nothing more than a soundbyte to most people.

02-15-2009, 12:45 AM	#100
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Yea turn around is certainly fairplay. As long as it goes both ways I am cool with it. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-15-2009, 10:00 PM	#103
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	a "national electronic medical record" People, here's the reality: you can't even pull up your x-rays from hospital A while you're at hospital B, even if hospital B is right across the street--much less another state. The two simplest reasons that spring to mind are NOT because we haven't invested billions into healthcare IT (because, believe me, we have). They are: #1 Hospitals view your medial information as proprietary business data. Sure, you can sign a HIPAA form to get the data released, but they sure aren't going to let a BUSINESS COMPETIOR (i.e. another hospital) have free, unfettered access to data that they had to make an investment of time and money generate. To put it simply: HOSPITALS DO NOT WANT TO SHARE YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS. It's not a smart business choice. And: #2 If the hundred hospitals from this county, and the next, and the next, and the thousands from the next state over, and so on and so forth, wanted to share your medical records... HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE? We are still struggling with getting every department WITHIN THE SAME FACILITY to use a common medical record number. It's not that the interoperability standards aren't attempting to deal with this, but what good are these efforts when the technology vendors fight to maintain the proprietray nature of their systems, so that you are compelled not to purchase another brand, lest you have to deal with a costly migration to untangle all the proprietary data you've been storing? This is just an off-the-cuff rant; but the point is that this kind of thing IS MY JOB. This is what I do every day. There is no magic solution that a few billion dollars or a few hundred billion dollars is going to bring about. The healthcare industry is designed NOT to share data. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-15-2009, 10:28 PM	#104
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	here, here. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-15-2009, 10:30 PM	#105
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Just one man's viewpoint from squarely within a situation which is probably nothing more than a soundbyte to most people. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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