I Miss Bush

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

The only way Obama can get re-elected is to do what the voters want. The only way for the repubicans to make Obama a one term president is to prohibit Obama from doing what the voters want. In other words, the repubicans want to screw the voters.

This is multiply erroneous. Let us count up the ways:
1) The voters do not want to do Socialism.
2) Obama does.
3) The Republicans are there to stop Obama from doing the Socialism the voters do not want.
4) Buttscrewing the fools who don't appreciate the Republic, capitalism, or the strong dollar is not bad either for the electorate or the Republic in which it dwells. Uncomfortable for fools, though.
5) What the Republicans hope to do therefore is protective of my proper interests. Which are, I think, consonant with the good of the Republic.

So once again, unclean Spexx, your rabid bigotries both discredit you, and disorder your thoughts. Radar has the same problem, you know. Is he the company you want to keep? The example you would follow?

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

This is multiply erroneous. Let us count up the ways:
1) The voters do not want to do Socialism.
2) Obama does.

BUZZZZZZZZZZZ Well this is your classic "straw man" fallacy that UG depends upon so well. Instead of arguing Spexx's point, he creates a straw man "Socialism" to argue against. It's only Socialism because he calls it that; what Obama has done is so far short of actual Socialism that it would be unrecognizable by that term in an *serious* discussion.

3) The Republicans are there to stop Obama from doing the Socialism the voters do not want.

This is a continuance of the straw man, but it is always helpful to remind everyone that only 2 short years ago the Republicans were spending like drunken investment bankers in a strip club where the strippers were wearing guaranteed notes for thongs.

True intellectualism requires true intellectual honesty. I will recognize it in you, UG, when I see it.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by classicman

... and Obama's is to get re-elected. big whoop.

Cite, please.

[glatt]

“You know, there is a tendency in Washington to believe our job description, of elected officials, is to get reelected. That’s not our job description,” Obama said. “Our job description is to solve problems and to help people.”

and

“I’d rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president.”

ABC

I'm sure Obama would love to have a second term, and I would be very surprised if he didn't run a second time, but he's at least giving lip service to the idea that his focus is not on getting re-elected.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by glatt

lip service

I agree with that part. and I don't disagree that what you first quoted him as saying SHOULD be true, but I'm too pessimistic about politicians to actually believe it.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by BigV

Cite, please.

no need. Thats the #1 goal of any politician - to remain employed.

[BigV]

He's been talking every day for two years, and you can't find such a cite. glatt finds one that says exactly the opposite. You latch onto glatt's opinion "lip service" as congruent to your own.

That's ok, it's sad to see you're so cynical and pessimistic that you let your prejudice close your mind. I hope you feel better soon.

You're wrong, by the way. Not all politicians have reelection as their highest priority. There are some, a lot, that believe that doing good is more important than getting re-elected. These people also know that to govern, one must first be elected. But being elected is a means to an end, to govern. Don't despair.

[xoxoxoBruce]

There's a significant difference between the president and all the other politicians.
The president, once elected (or assumes the office through other means), is set for life. Other politicians leaving office, still have to whore to corporate interests, or foreign entities, to make a living.

[classicman]

I understand your opinion and beliefs, but I still maintain mine as well. Agree to disagree.

[HungLikeJesus]

Ron Burgundy: Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina.
Veronica Corningstone: No, there's no way that's correct.
Ron Burgundy: I'm sorry, I was trying to impress you. I don't know what it means. I'll be honest, I don't think anyone knows what it means anymore. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost hundreds of years ago.
Veronica Corningstone: Doesn't it mean Saint Diego?
Ron Burgundy: No. No.
Veronica Corningstone: No, that's - that's what it means. Really.
Ron Burgundy: Agree to disagree.

[Trilby]

spud drank the Kool-Aid a looooooong time ago. bye bye spud.

[spudcon]

This post is full of Kool-Ade, but I refuse to drink it. It smells like bullshit.

[classicman]

... but it tastes so sweet.

[morethanpretty]

Personally I prefer Kool-AID, not that knock off shit kool-ADE. See your problem spud is the wrong brand.

[spudcon]

My brand doesn't smell like BS, yours does. Don't know about the taste, I've never been foolish enough to drink it.
Doesn't matter how you spell yours, it's still the same old shit.