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Old 07-24-2004, 12:13 PM   #91
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I asked Syc one time whether anyone - neighbors, checkout ppl, etc. had made any specific comments about the fact that he and LSyc are a mixed couple and he said no. This, I should think, is progress.
It IS progress. But the stupid looks are still plentiful. I think racism has definitely decreased, but a lot of what was out there went covert, which tempers the progress made.

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Old 07-24-2004, 02:46 PM   #92
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The danger there is misinterpreting a "look". It could be nothing more than revulsion of/at your haircut. If you look for something, you're likely to find it.
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Old 07-24-2004, 02:55 PM   #93
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Are we never going to progress past the point where people actually say "I'm not racist! I have black/green/orange friends, or I work with them, or whatever"?
Not while at best a portion of most minorities work on the basis that every 'cracker' is racist.
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Old 07-24-2004, 03:12 PM   #94
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........treating me like the enemy........

That's pretty strong language there mister. You trying to start something??
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Old 07-24-2004, 05:05 PM   #95
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The danger there is misinterpreting a "look". It could be nothing more than revulsion of/at your haircut.
Always possible, but I'd say unlikely in many cases.

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Old 07-24-2004, 05:21 PM   #96
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Always possible, but I'd say unlikely in many cases.
Yeah, but I had to comment on your haircut.
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Old 07-25-2004, 06:11 PM   #97
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Not while at best a portion of most minorities work on the basis that every 'cracker' is racist.
Now now..not ALL, but there are some..even many. They just are not in your face like they have been in the past.

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The danger there is misinterpreting a "look". It could be nothing more than revulsion of/at your haircut. If you look for something, you're likely to find it.
Heh, well all I can say is that when you are used to "the look", you can pretty much spot it a mile away, and it has nothing to do with the way your hair is that day.
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Old 07-26-2004, 12:59 AM   #98
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And I agree that what's fair for one is fair for all. White people have never been persecuted in this country (and off the top of my head, I'm having a hard time coming up with a country where white people have been racially persecuted).
It's called Zimbabwe.

And then there was this incident in Wichita. Here's a few more.

And it's the case that whites have been persecuted in the US, typically by other whites, as it happens. I believe someone else has pointed out what happened to successive waves of immigrants ... first the Irish, then Italians, then Poles ...
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Old 07-26-2004, 10:14 AM   #99
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I am aware of these things, but I am also aware of James Byrd, the KKK, segregation, the fight for civil rights, and many, many other things that trump those that you mention. Are you honestly saying that white people suffer from persecution in the US?
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Old 07-26-2004, 10:35 AM   #100
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You are saying that. I was refuting your statement that it never happens.
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Old 07-26-2004, 10:37 AM   #101
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Are you honestly saying that white people suffer from persecution in the US?

Nope. That various ethnic groups did suffer from it in the past, strove to rise above it, and did so successfully. Like Bill Cosby was saying, if you value education and success over victimhood, then all of a sudden you wake up one day and you're not a victim anymore.
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Old 07-26-2004, 11:12 AM   #102
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I am aware of these things, but I am also aware of James Byrd, the KKK, segregation, the fight for civil rights, and many, many other things that trump those that you mention. Are you honestly saying that white people suffer from persecution in the US?

james byrd - that's a recent event and fair play
kkk - other races have their stupid supremacy groups, too - and nobody respects them
segregation, the fight for civil rights - more than 30 years ago.

why is it that when someone points out that racism goes in all directions, the knee jerk reaction is to point out what white people have done in the past.

the james byrd tragedy is no more indicative of the average caucasion than the central park jogger assault is of the black or hispanic community.
but what you didn't see is a crowd of white people standing outside the courthouse campaigning that prosecuting Byrd's murderers was a racist witchhunt.
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Old 07-26-2004, 01:35 PM   #103
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Are you honestly saying that white people suffer from persecution in the US?

Nope. That various ethnic groups did suffer from it in the past, strove to rise above it, and did so successfully. Like Bill Cosby was saying, if you value education and success over victimhood, then all of a sudden you wake up one day and you're not a victim anymore.
Hrm, I didn't get that from what he said, but oh well. Maybe I need to read his comments again. Brick walls and glass ceiling still exist.
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Old 07-26-2004, 01:36 PM   #104
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Old 07-26-2004, 02:09 PM   #105
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Fact of life; advancement in most companies depends on networking and who you know, more than ability. This means everyone that's not "a friend", "golfing buddy", "poker pal", "fellow lodge member" of the boss or know someone who is, is screwed. That includes whites as well as anyone else. People being people, that will likely be the case for some time.
I remember back in the 70s, Westinghouse hired a black man to run the employment office, to make sure black people weren't discriminated against. After he had hired over 100 blacks, and nothing else, they fired him.
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