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Getting closer. Fitzgerald opens an Official Website.
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Was Libby or Rove the anonymous sorce for that one Rich?
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We know, however, based upon what we have read and seen and heard that someone created fake documents related to Niger and Iraq and used them as a false pretense to launch America into an invasion of Iraq. And when a former diplomat made an honest effort to find out the facts, a plan was hatched to both discredit and punish him by revealing the identity of his undercover CIA agent wife. TomPaine
So far the Republican line on this is bad intel. If Fitzgerald proves the conspiracy we should throw a neck tie party for the whole bunch, but I'll settle for impeachment.
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There's still the fishy documents, weird timing, and even an Italian connection. How very Rovian!
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Found it! David Corn taking on the interpretation of an Iraqi visit in the big scheme of things. Oops to you?
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Another angle here. (And a Daily Kos thread discussing it)
There's also this Post story: Check the correction box on the side.
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I'm just glad we could get to the right part of the debate. Now we have everyone (except for the Post correction, which is a non-entity IMO) agreeing that:
1. Iraqi went to Niger. 2. They wanted uranium. (It's the only meaningful export Niger has.) 3. They were turned back. The Crooks and Liars take, which I have seen before, concludes that (and I quote) the intelligence community discounted the notion that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger; but this is Monday morning, and given the 1-2-3 facts on the table, do you come to that conclusion? Isn't it a direct contradiction to #2? Why would Crooks and Liars do that? It gets hard to follow; but how did Wilson get those 1-2-3 facts? 4. He was a former ambassador, and highly regarded, but not an ambassador to Niger. He was ambassador to Gabon. It was 10 years ago. 5. When he went to Niger, he was told not to speak with anyone currently in the government because it could hurt further negotiations about the restrictions of yellowcake sale. 6. He was only there a week, and all he did was talk with people; they assured him that all was well and even though the Iraqis had been there, no transfer could have happened because of those restrictions. Here are the hard questions. Given 4-5-6, and the 1-2-3 already established, do YOU believe that Wilson could come to a very complete and total conclusion that Iraq was not seeking uranium? When Brit intelligence comes to the conclusion that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from Niger, does Wilson's trip negate that intelligence? If you're Wilson, and the Pres makes his S.O.T.U. speech saying that Brit intel finds Iraq seeking uranium from Africa, do you then write to the New York Times about what you've found? Or do you wait six months until the war starts, the first invasion is over, and no stockpiles are found? When you write to the Times, do you omit fact #2? How about #4? How about #5? And finally, the biggest question for y'all: Is it OK that Iraq went to Niger in 1998 seeking uranium even though they were prohibited from having it? Are you copasetic with that because they did apparently get turned down? Do you think they wanted it for peaceful purposes? |
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It's a correction, there's no by-line, and it contradicts everything in the Senate Intel Report specifically mentioned in the story. I'm saying it's flat-out wrong.
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Update on that: a poster in the dkos thread says that Iran has its own uranium mines. Some Googling around shows that to be true.
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Do I want Iraq to buy uranium, make bombs and kill me? no.
Do I want the US to create manipulative intelligence to support their deadly move for regime change when they can't make a real case to put before the American people with fact? no. Why is Colin Powell so ashamed of it all? Why were these forgeries that supported the incorrect claim so ellusive, essential and crude? Would the British spread false intel, even for a little while? Would we? Why? Why not make a real case for war? Who would think of such a thing? How about Michael "Iran-Contra" Ledeenor one of his crowd? There's a track record of traitorous wheeling and dealing with national security secrets. Upon his return, talking with whoever and for however long, Wilson's intel was deemed good by the CIA who sent him. As the case for war was built, Wilson smelled a rat, and who knows what else he learned. That he came forward at all, well, that has proven to be a bold move. I will be very interested to see what Fitzgerald make of all of this mess. |
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