Does Anyone feel like Bailing

I'll do that.

And I'll also be waiting for you to post any evidence from your lead:

Originally Posted by classicman

I'll still take the word of the independent source over the biased one.

Not mine/ You suggested bias in the DoAg report and company filing..which, in fact was what started it all.

Where is the bias in either of these documents that you alleged?

That was my question and it was really a simple question and you twisted it and turned it and dodged the question and continue to dodge it.

You made a charge....back it up!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I'll do that.

And I'll also be waiting for you to post any evidence from your lead:

Where is the bias in either of those documents.
Not mine -- suggesting bias in the DoAg report and company filing..which, in fact was what started it all.

Where is the bias in either of these documents that you alleged?

Its really a simple question.

What a fucking cock.

You ask Classic to step up but you can't do the same your self. Go crawl back under your rock you Policy Wanker.

One simple question.

Where is the evidence of bias in either of those docs.

Classic made the allegation. I asked it to be documented.

What is so fucking hard to understand about that?

I understand the trick to turn it back on me...it sure beats having to come up with the evidence.

I'm on to your tricks...and so are others

You guys didnt invent them....but the tricks are getting stale and you both have been exposed...again.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What a fucking cock.

Wacko extremists who know - and forget to first learn reality ... must then post profanity. You obscenities only confirm lower intelligence. Stop it. Or we must discuss which head your thoughts come from. You have nothing to contribute. So keep your cheap shot, extremist inspired profanity to yourself.
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I actually think it is pretty funny.

Classic goes on a "gotcha" raid and finds the grant to Jennie-O Foods for $5+ million and proceeds to make sarcastic uninformed comments:

Originally Posted by classicman

Contract: Small Turkey Deli Breasts $5,379,000 Willmar MN Jobs created...unreported. Great accounting.

I wish I could find out how this works, $5 million plus... for turkey breasts? nice going.

I provide him with details that does not not contradict his source..but supplements it to "explain how it worked"

Originally Posted by Redux

Project report .... $5 million for 2.9 million lbs for domestic food assistance programs....less than $2/lb....seems like a reasonable price.

Jobs created - 285.

Rather then acknowledge the information, or God forbid, thank me for the additional details....he then proceeds with more sacasm and to trash the source as biased:

Originally Posted by classicman

Oh I'm sorry - How could I have possibly misinterpreted you.

I'll still take the word of the independent source over the biased one.
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Come on...now thats funny...in a wingnut sorta way.

Then it became a matter of more twisting and dodging...still unwilling to acknowledge the additional information....digging his heals in on the unsubstantiated "bias" charge.

And at that point it went from funny to pathetic, particularly with the added hypocrisy.

Then back to funny again with even more twisting and dodging....and the insightful contributions from Merc.

[TheMercenary]

Promises are made to be broken...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoG5u_6kjI

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Promises are made to be broken...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoG5u_6kjI

John Stossel......one of those "objective, independent" sources?


Pardon me for borrowing one of your laughs.

How convenient for him to start with a "broken promise" on middle class tax cuts yet ignore the $288 billion in tax cuts in the stimulus bill (about 1/3 of the entire bill) that will benefit, to some extent, most American taxpayers

Including:

$116 billion in new payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010.

$70 billion for a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009

$15 billion for expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families

$14 billion for expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010

and tax cuts for small businesses:
$15 billion to companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.

How could Stossel miss this and instead focus on legislation (cap and trade, health care) in which he asserts there were middle class tax increases (wrong) when those final bills didnt even exist.

Caution: Fox fair and balanced at play!

What makes this so funny is the fact that most of the tea baggers and other extremists probably dont even know that many of them got or are getting these tax cuts

[Shawnee123]

*snort out loud*

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

*snort out loud*

Snorting is allowed....but no feeding the wingnuts in this zoo!

[Shawnee123]

Hell no, but if they get wet will they melt or something, or are they like gremlins? Let me know, I can get buckets of water.

Classic:

Are these economic research firms independent enough:

Just look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody’s Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

Yet I’m guessing you don’t think of the stimulus bill as a big success. You’ve read columns (by me, for example) complaining that it should have spent money more quickly. Or you’ve heard about the phantom ZIP code scandal: the fact that a government Web site mistakenly reported money being spent in nonexistent ZIP codes.

And many of the criticisms are valid. The program has had its flaws. But the attention they have received is wildly disproportionate to their importance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/bu...fLqV0XZM6WOE0A

I agree the program has its flaws (less than perfect) and one can quibble with the exact numbers, but to continue to deny that it created or saved hundreds of thousands of jobs or more to-date is simply ideological ignorance.

This is important to note as well:

But the billions of dollars in tax cuts, food stamps and jobless benefits in the stimulus have still made a difference. Since February, aggregate wages and salaries have fallen, while consumer spending has risen. The difference between the two — some $100 billion — has essentially come from stimulus checks.

Hey, Merc ....Dont you think someone should tell Stossel....tax cuts (and other benefits) going back into the economy!

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by Redux

What makes this so funny is the fact that most of the tea baggers and other extremists probably dont even know that many of them got or are getting these tax cuts

True. Sort of like your lot with good ol' W's tax cuts "for the rich".

Originally Posted by lookout123

True. Sort of like your lot with good ol' W's tax cuts "for the rich".

Oh, I was fully aware of the 01 and 03 tax cuts for the top 1%, at a cost of over $1 trillion, and sunsetted in 2010 in the law by Bush and the Republican Congress.

But perhaps you can explain how they provided any economic stimulus?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

You have nothing to contribute. So keep your cheap shot, extremist inspired profanity to yourself..

This coming from one who attacked a posters wife by calling her a "gonorrhea dripping whore" and never apologizing?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

Where is the bias?

OK I feel as though I have said this a dozen times. . .
I would prefer independent verification from an uninvolved party. When questioning something the Gov't says/does/claims... I would prefer not to just take the Gov'ts word for it or use the same Gov't as proof that what the say is factual/correct/true. Instead I would like corroborating evidence/proof/input from an outside source.
That is all.