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Um no, Holder is choking on it. Hopefully to his end.
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And the beat goes on.... as more info comes to light.
Armed illegals stalked Border Patrol http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...border-patrol/
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Merc, Please paste at least some of what you are quoting.
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Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
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Finally: Holder debunks the “Bush lied” meme
Well, that wasn’t really Eric Holder’s intent when he answered an allegation of intentionally misleading Congress from James Sensenbrenner, but the circumstances fit almost perfectly in this moment gleaned from the Boss Emeritus’ live blog of his testimony today. Holder’s aides didn’t lie or mislead Congress when they sent over false information — including Holder himself. You see, they talked with the people who they thought knew what was going on, and simply passed along what they said.
You know — just like when George Bush listened to every Western intelligence agency when they warned that Saddam Hussein was working on weapons of mass destruction. Now, there are a couple of key differences between the two instances. Fast & Furious didn’t take place around the world in a nearly-impenetrable Arab dictatorship — it got conducted by ATF personnel that report in the same chain of command as Holder himself. The data that Congress demanded wasn’t an assessment of intel on a program run in the Middle East, but the actual information on a program run by Holder’s team. And the inability to produce accurate data on this would indicate that either Holder and his team are a group of incompetents who don’t have any real management control over the ATF and DoJ, or that people intentionally misled Congress by feeding the House committees with false and misleading information. Considering that the latest memo has ATF and DoJ officials plotting how to use Operation Fast and Furious as a political tool to push for more restrictive gun-control legislation, I’m pretty sure I know which way I’m betting on the question. If Holder wants to argue mens rea, then I’m just as satisfied by the alternative of total incompetence — and await his resignation. Link
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V, Have you paid ANY attention to this issue or watched any of the coverage on it or are you just defaulting to your standard position?
Cuz you really should.
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Facts are in the Emails released to the Congressional panel and shit. Obviously you never looked.
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Second, at whatever level of attention I've been giving this issue, I am asking for "the memo that details the plotting of the ATF and DoJ officials". Really? Get me up to speed here, since you, and others, notably mercy, have been following this closely. I find it... frankly unbelievable that such a memo exists, or that any memo that does exist says what you said it says. I won't begrudge you your opinion, and that's what I consider the statement I quoted to be. Fine, your opinion. But I'm interested in more factual evidence. If you have that, and I don't, share it, won't you? Thanks!
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There is plenty of info available. WATCH the video's they're on CSPAN or youtube. I would prefer you see what is happening for yourself and draw your own conclusions, then post them here. Then come back and we can have a more intelligent discussion.
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