Illegal to Feed Homeless in Parks - Page 8

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Didn't you watch the oreo video in ye olde video thread? A hell of a lot more oreos go to the pentagon than anywhere else. Don't blame high taxes on entitlements, blame the hawks.

I prefer pie to cookies.

Spexxvet · 07-31-2006, 10:25 AM

Ok, I concede that point.

I trust your pie to be honest and correct.

Wait til I get my hands on Ben, co-founder of Ben and Gerry's Icecream!

Ibby · 07-31-2006, 10:27 AM

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It's called "Estate Tax", and it's already in place.

So we should take money from someone you're sure hasn't earned it, and give it to people who haven't earned it either but you're sure are more deserving. Administered by the government.

I know of the estate tax, but I think it's not enough, and doesnt go anywhere. The estate tax just goes to the government at large, and is buried in the billions of dollars spent on bullshit... I'm sure you've heard the one that goes something like "Upon achieving successful space flight, the US found that ball-point pens do not write in space. So, they spent millions on research, and developed a pen that could not only write in space, but upside-down and underwater... The Russians just used a pencil." I think the estate tax should go straight to the needy, not get caught up in all the other bullshit.

And quite simply, yes, I do think we should take money from someone someone who hasn't earned it and give it to people who haven't earned it either but need it more.

Think of homelessness like being trapped down a well. I dont care if someone was pushed in, fell in, or jumped headfirst, I want to help them. Maybe they could get out on their own if they had the willpower or physical strength, but I'm not going to yell down the well "HEY! YOU! DO SOME PUSH-UPS AND CLIMB OUT YOURSELF!", I'd toss them a rope or even climb down myself and help them. I personally like helping people that need help, whether it's tossing them a rope or climbing down there, picking them up, and carrying them out all by myself. It doesnt hurt me to throw a rope, I don't need it and he does. Maybe you don't feel the same way, but I think if you were filthy stinkin' rich, you could stand to part with a bit of cash when you go.

Flint · 07-31-2006, 10:27 AM

Isn't "Entitlement Program" a loaded term? Should we ridicule the irresponsible public for feeling "Entitled" to a decent highway system, or dependable mail delivery? Why can't those lazy slackers pull themselves up by their bootstraps and develop a good-old-fashioned do-it-yourself attitude?

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:31 AM

Sure, let's go completely liberal and relabel everything until we like the spin. "Undocumented immigrant" rather than "illegal alien" for starters. "Dispropotionate response" rather than "self-defense". "Affirmative action" rather than "race-based set-aside".

"Entitlement" has a specific meaning in this context. Perhaps you'd prefer to refer to it as "mandatory humanitarianism".

Flint · 07-31-2006, 10:32 AM

When was the term "entitlement program" coined? It sounds like spin.

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I'm sure you've heard the one that goes something like "Upon achieving successful space flight, the US found that ball-point pens do not write in space. So, they spent millions on research, and developed a pen that could not only write in space, but upside-down and underwater... The Russians just used a pencil."

Yes, I've heard of it, and it's completely an urban legend. I happen to be a Space Pen user...they rock hard, and they're not at all expensive now.

Gawdawmighy, you really, really, really don't want to use a graphite pencil in a microgravity environment full of electronic equipment. Trust me.

Flint · 07-31-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Sure, let's go completely liberal and relabel everything until we like the spin.

No, let's go completely conservative and relabel everything until we like the spin.

Wow, what an unproductive and over-simplified game of good guys versus bad guys. I'll bet we can do this all day long and get absolutely nowhere.

Pie · 07-31-2006, 10:39 AM

Welcome to the Cellar.

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

When was the term "entitlement program" coined? It sounds like spin.

In the Federal budget process...the distinction is "entitlements" vs. "discretionary spending".

see http://www.appropriations.senate.gov...getprocess.htm

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While the size of the annual federal budget has increased in dollar terms (reflecting inflation, increased population and economy) over the years, the proportion available for common government services has shrunk dramatically. Competition among federal agencies for funding is heating up. Over the last three decades, discretionary spending has been cut significantly to accomodate rapid growths in other expenses. Discretionary spending covers everything from road building to police protection to medical research to our national defense -- most of the government services with which Americans are familiar. All other spending is mandatory -- required by law regardless of what is left over for discretionary spending. Mandatory spending includes entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare, and the enormous interest the U.S. must pay every year to finance the national debt.

"Entitlements" because someone has been "entitled" by existing law to receive the money.

Ibby · 07-31-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Yes, I've heard of it, and it's completely an urban legend. I happen to be a Space Pen user...they rock hard, and they're not at all expensive now.

Gawdawmighy, you really, really, really don't want to use a graphite pencil in a microgravity environment full of electronic equipment. Trust me.

Okay, maybe it didnt really happen, but the story gets my point across.

Any comments on, uh, anything else in my entire post? Or just that one little redundant point?

Flint · 07-31-2006, 10:41 AM

:::slowly backs out of thread:::

Spexxvet · 07-31-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

..."Entitlement" has a specific meaning in this context. Perhaps you'd prefer to refer to it as "mandatory humanitarianism".

Believe me when I tell you that nobody feels more entitled than a wealthy person.

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

No, let's go completely conservative and relabel everything until we like the spin.

An original term is not a relabeling. Like "liberal"...which is now "progressive".

Moral equivalance again...

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Believe me when I tell you that nobody feels more entitled than a wealthy person.

Really? Show up at the welfare office on the day when checks are late.

So...where's your "hawks are spending all the tax money"?

07-31-2006, 10:25 AM	#107
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Ok, I concede that point. I trust your pie to be honest and correct. Wait til I get my hands on Ben, co-founder of Ben and Gerry's Icecream! __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

07-31-2006, 10:27 AM	#109
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Isn't "Entitlement Program" a loaded term? Should we ridicule the irresponsible public for feeling "Entitled" to a decent highway system, or dependable mail delivery? Why can't those lazy slackers pull themselves up by their bootstraps and develop a good-old-fashioned do-it-yourself attitude? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-31-2006, 10:31 AM	#110
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	Sure, let's go completely liberal and relabel everything until we like the spin. "Undocumented immigrant" rather than "illegal alien" for starters. "Dispropotionate response" rather than "self-defense". "Affirmative action" rather than "race-based set-aside". "Entitlement" has a specific meaning in this context. Perhaps you'd prefer to refer to it as "mandatory humanitarianism". __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

07-31-2006, 10:32 AM	#111
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	When was the term "entitlement program" coined? It sounds like spin. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-31-2006, 10:39 AM	#114
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07-31-2006, 10:41 AM	#117
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	:::slowly backs out of thread::: __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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