Texas parents don't like nude sculpture - Page 8

Spexxvet · 10-11-2006, 06:51 PM

Sorry for jumping in at this late date. I thought the thread was about nude sculpture.

But if

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

...To call one's self a Christian one must follow the teachings of Christ... pretty much it...

and

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, Christ taught one "guideline". Love thy neighbor as thyself. That's it...there ain't no more.... :p

Then there aren't many Christians around, IMHO.

Matthew 517
Jesus:

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“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."

Jesus, himself, said to obey the laws of the old testament.

Flint · 10-11-2006, 06:51 PM

If you're not putting words in my mouth, then quote one example to back this up:

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Apparently every time people disagree with your standard of behavior it's because of their religion.
Every time somebody does something you consider stupid, you say it's because of their religion.

...or apologize. "It's that simple" Bruce. Back up what you said by quoting me.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...shut your mouth and open your ears...

I hear you perfectly well. You're accusing me of stating things I've never stated.
If I have stated these things, you can easily quote me to demonstrate that I have.

When I criticize the institution of Christianity, all you have to do is take the words I am posting at face value, without attaching any additional meanings. Accusing me of stating additional meanings does not make it so, no matter how many times you repeat the accusation.

10-11-2006, 06:53 PM

Catholicism and being a follower of Christ/Christian have nothing to do with each other.
Abominations have no place in our world, you cannot pick and choose what you want to be and not want to be laws from the OT....
If you want to live that lifestyle and call that the Law fine, but I don't want to see someone naming it that, pointing fingers at homosexuals and then later eating shrimp, working on Saturday, wearing mixed fiber shirts or practicing ANY other abomination. You don't get to pick and choose.
Like I said... I have been studying this for a long time and did study with Catholics in Seminary Prep in college... they agreed with this.
The Pope has agreed that he is not infallible.
All that Calvinist stuff like Rapture was made-up and has no Biblical basis.
It is all smoke-&-Mirrors to take away from Jesus' message... it is to bring people to the business of Church.

Flint · 10-11-2006, 06:55 PM

I live by the message of Jesus. The "business of the Church" is Christianity. Christianity is the thing I am criticizing.

10-12-2006, 12:08 AM

"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car."

xoxoxoBruce · 10-12-2006, 03:59 AM

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Jesus, himself, said to obey the laws of the old testament.

Said to Jews of that time. The OT is the covenant with the Jews.

Flint · 10-12-2006, 09:18 AM

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"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car."

Nothing makes you a Christian.
You have to conciously decide to classify yourself as such.
I follow the teachings of Christ, and I do not classify myself as a Christian.
So, you could also say "following the teachings of Christ doesn't make you a Christian."

Since it has no bearing on my inner feelings, calling myself a "Christian" would be just like joining any other club. And what does joining a club accomplish? You gain the wordly benefits of your membership, you have strength in numbers, and you are implicitly casting your vote for whatever that club stands for. I have no interest in those things. A nominal classification isn't going to accomplish anything of value for me.

Ibby · 10-12-2006, 05:09 AM

As far as I can tell, the OT is obeyed whenever it coincides with prejudices or wishes of the Christians, and ignored when it doesnt.

For example, stance on gays...

10-12-2006, 04:40 PM

That was nutty and contradictory.
Freaking out at teachers and administrators because their kids saw a tit kinda' does show that they are not Christians.
Christians are not busybodies.

Flint · 10-12-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

That was nutty and contradictory.

Which part? Are we done with civil discussion, and on to name-calling now?

Spexxvet · 10-12-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

...Are we done with civil discussion, and on to name-calling now?

Would that be considered good Christian behavior?

Happy Monkey · 10-12-2006, 05:40 PM

Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-12-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it.

The same can be said for every religion and also those that eschew it, but the sentence must start with SOME, in all cases.
Anyone claiming to belong to a religion or non-religious segment, that contains no assholes, is a fool, liar or both.

You're well aware the prejudice against lawyers is unfairly painting a large group with the broadest possible brush. Same, same.

BigV · 10-13-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The same can be said for every religion and also those that eschew it, but the sentence must start with SOME, in all cases.
Anyone claiming to belong to a religion or non-religious segment, that contains no assholes, is a fool, liar or both.

You're well aware the prejudice against lawyers is unfairly painting a large group with the broadest possible brush. Same, same.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it.

I read the sentence as:

It is very often (not always, approximately equal to "some"times) the case that (a given) Christians act like busybodies. When this happens, the justification for being a busybody is based on their ideas about Christianity.

Whatever. I'm tired.

Happy Monkey · 10-14-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The same can be said for every religion and also those that eschew it, but the sentence must start with SOME, in all cases.
Anyone claiming to belong to a religion or non-religious segment, that contains no assholes, is a fool, liar or both.

I said "very often" twice, so adding "some" would have been overkill. I was resonding to someone making a sweeping claim, so your correction should probably be steered that way.

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You're well aware the prejudice against lawyers is unfairly painting a large group with the broadest possible brush.

Huh? I mean, I'm aware of that, I suppose, but I'm not a lawyer.

10-11-2006, 06:55 PM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I live by the message of Jesus. The "business of the Church" is Christianity. Christianity is the thing I am criticizing. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-12-2006, 05:09 AM	#8
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	As far as I can tell, the OT is obeyed whenever it coincides with prejudices or wishes of the Christians, and ignored when it doesnt. For example, stance on gays... __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

10-12-2006, 05:40 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-11-2006, 06:53 PM	#3
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Catholicism and being a follower of Christ/Christian have nothing to do with each other. Abominations have no place in our world, you cannot pick and choose what you want to be and not want to be laws from the OT.... If you want to live that lifestyle and call that the Law fine, but I don't want to see someone naming it that, pointing fingers at homosexuals and then later eating shrimp, working on Saturday, wearing mixed fiber shirts or practicing *ANY* other abomination. You don't get to pick and choose. Like I said... I have been studying this for a long time and did study with Catholics in Seminary Prep in college... they agreed with this. The Pope has agreed that he is not infallible. All that Calvinist stuff like Rapture was made-up and has no Biblical basis. It is all smoke-&-Mirrors to take away from Jesus' message... it is to bring people to the business of Church.

10-12-2006, 12:08 AM	#5
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car."

10-12-2006, 04:40 PM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	That was nutty and contradictory. Freaking out at teachers and administrators because their kids saw a tit kinda' does show that they are not Christians. Christians are not busybodies.

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