Why California Sucks Ass!!!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Roads, Federal, State & County(Parish), are funded by fuel taxes.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Griff

I had written a long rant in response to Ali's misconception about the relationship between States and roads. Bruce said it nicer and better.

I was only using roads as an example of a public facility, so I apologize for my misconception as to where the funds come from. It's not exactly that way here although a portion of road maintenance is paid for by fuel taxes, not all is.

My point is and always has been against Radar's notion that it's illegal for the government to expect citizens to pay personal income taxes.

If roads is a bad example, perhaps we could use public libraries instead. Perhaps it's not the same there, but here most towns and definitely all cities have public libraries which are funded mostly by government grants but also through some patronage but of course, the government funding is raised through taxes.

If you'd rather, we could look at police. Who's going to pay their wages if there's no income tax? Or how about judges and magistrates?

There are a whole range of public facilities and systems which would not be possible if it were not for income taxes.

As I've said before, if you don't want to pay taxes, that's fine, but you go and live away from society. Be self sufficient and do your thing. I have no problem with that what so ever. If that's what people want to do, they should go ahead and do it, but you only make yourself a hypocrite if you live within society and don't pay your taxes.

[Undertoad]

All roads paid for by the federal government in which postage is not carried, is an unconstitutional use of federal money and an illegal expansion of power.

AND

all roads are used to deliver the mail

THEREFORE

All Federal involvement in roads is Constitutional. Which is really what you were saying in the beginning, we just didn't believe you would make such a case.

I mean, even the Feds don't use that interpretation. That interpretation is a wild granting of power to the Feds. But whatever, you're the man now dog.

[Undertoad]

It occurs to me that this is one of those threads non-Americans find to be utterly American. But would probably enjoy the quirkiness of regardless.

[Clodfobble]

IIRC Radar is okay with other forms of taxes, such as fuel taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. It is only when the tax rate is directly tied to income that he objects.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

IIRC Radar is okay with other forms of taxes, such as fuel taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. It is only when the tax rate is directly tied to income that he objects.

Yep I know thanks Clod

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

IIRC Radar is okay with other forms of taxes, such as fuel taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. It is only when the tax rate is directly tied to income that he objects.

You are right on all counts other than property tax. I don't think I should ever be taxed on what I own, or what I earn. Owning property is a right. Keeping the fruits of your labor is a right. I have a problem being taxed for exercising my rights. I have no problem with paying taxes or fees for services I use.

[Radar]

I'm only rude to those who richly deserve it. You're as rude as I've ever been and you're consistently wrong on every subject and then get snippy when you are corrected.

If more Americans were like me, America would be loved throughout the world...including Australia. You are an anomaly because every other Australian I've ever met is very kindhearted, caring, worldly, and classy. In other words, they are everything that you are not.

I'm a much better American than you are an Australian.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Radar

I'm only rude to those who richly deserve it. You're as rude as I've ever been and you're consistently wrong on every subject and then get snippy when you are corrected.

If more Americans were like me, America would be loved throughout the world...including Australia. You are an anomaly because every other Australian I've ever met is very kindhearted, caring, worldly, and classy. In other words, they are everything that you are not.

I'm a much better American than you are an Australian.

I suppose you think that's a winning post Radar? lol

Let's just have a look at the elements for a minute so you can see why it's not.

I'm only rude to those who richly deserve it.

Which must include pretty much everyone on this forum at least. From what I've observed, you've been rude to everyone at one time or another.

you're consistently wrong on every subject and then get snippy when you are corrected.

Not correct and I have no problem being corrected by someone who knows better than me.

If more Americans were like me, America would be loved throughout the world...including Australia.

Firstly, this is only your opinion. It'd be interesting to do a poll on it don't you think? I wonder also if you're implying that you're better than most other Americans here.

You are an anomaly because every other Australian I've ever met is very kindhearted, caring, worldly, and classy. In other words, they are everything that you are not.

You have no idea how kindearted, caring, worldly (although this is not a word that has any relevance with regard to any group of people made up of individuals) or classy I am. Just because I don't sprout off all the good deeds I do or boast about the people I help or do nice things for doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means I don't tell you about. You're making a very mistaken assumption here and it's so far wrong it's funny.

I'm a much better American than you are an Australian

Maybe you are and maybe you aren't. I suppose that'd be another interesting poll. I suppose you'd have to ask what makes a better American and also what makes a better Australian. Maybe the same ideals apply and maybe they don't. Once again, this is a very presumptive statement and is also simply your opinion until you can show me how you've quantified it and proven your theory.

So in summary, I'd say no, this is not a winning post. There is far too much left to speculate about yet.

[lookout123]

Owning property is a right.

Wait a minute. What do you mean? Are you really suggesting we are born with a natural right to own real estate? or a car? or anything for that matter? owning these things is a privilege, a luxury really. you work for your money and you purchase them if you are able.

[Radar]

You are born with the natural right to own any piece of property that you acquire honestly. You can sell your labor and use the fruits of your labor (money) to buy property. You have a right to own the property that you've acquired either through purchase, gifts, inheritance, etc.

No other person or group of people has any claim to property that is yours. This doesn't change based on their perceived wants or needs.

All human rights come from the right to own property. We own ourselves, therefore we own our labor. When we sell or trade our labor for property, that property is an extension of ourselves. We own our minds, therefore we own our thoughts and can think freely. We own our voice so we can speak freely. The freedom of any society can be measured in how much respect is given to the sanctity of private property ownership.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

You are born with the natural right to own any piece of property that you acquire honestly.


All human rights come from the right to own property.

Hmm...

[TheMercenary]

I would like to reiterate my point.

California sucks ass becaue Radar lives there. That is all. Carry on.

I came out from Florida to help a family member with their new home in June '10. I have spent 7 months dealing with Californicatied pricks, pussies and a**holes.
I am disgusted, somewhat in shock, and just plain fed up.
Most of the people I have met are arrogant, think they know it all, are uppity, and just full of shit. But,, everyone is pretty, including the men!
Californians act like they are better than every other state in the U.S.
I've dealt with businesses and individuals and to be honest, I've never seen so much BULL & UN-PROFESSIONAL crap.
Radio Shack, Home Depot, Pizza Hut, you name it and there are dumbasses who work there screwing up orders or wasting patrons time.
Californians pay more attention to how they look and speak rather than doing their damn jobs. No wonder the state is broke. People collect thier paychecks but sure as hell don't work for them.
They use big proper words that apparently fool themselves into thinking that they know what they're talking about. Not!
The weather sucks. It rained twice in 3 months, each time raining for 10 minutes. No wonder your dry ass state burns.
Law enforcement is like a scene from every bad movie you see on TV. Cops busting meth heads or wanna be gang members. Even worse, "profiling" must have been created in CA. It happened to me!
All I can say is this, I honestly thought I might be pleasantly pleased with the "plastic people" of this Dry ass state. I was waaay wrong!

California: Where the women act like men and the men talk and sound like little girls. Look at Jesse James of West Coast Choopers. He sounds like a fucking lil pussy girl! Men here sound just like him!

F.U.C.K. Y.O.U. SOCAL ! Burn or Fall into the Ocean soon, PLEASE!!!

[OnyxCougar]

I'm with Radar here, not that he needs my support.

However, I think the ad-hominem attacks tend to misdirect the discussion. Both by his throwing the "cunt" word around, and by the people making jabs at "Americans" based on his comments and bringing past conflict into new discussion, among other things.

If you haven't done so yet, I highly recommend every single person interested in the United States Constitution to go to google video and search for Michael Badnarik Constitution Class.

Even if you don't agree with what he's saying, it's a clear, concise, logical explanation of Libertarian views.