Beggars - Page 8

lumberjim · 11-22-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

once I give it to them it's theirs. I'm not judging them or trying to change their lives and I think putting conditions on a gift is fucked up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianR

I'm a cold-hearted bastard and never give anything to bums.

I once gave a Sunday paper to a bum in Philly, told him to read it to refresh himself on the world and then turn to the Help Wanted section and get a job.

The reason I have money and they don't is that I have a job, work hard and honestly and do not give my hard-earned cash away.

He threw it at me and cussed at me. Ingrate.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day...teach him to fish and he eats forever.

GOOD EXAMPLE

Cicero · 11-22-2008, 05:55 PM

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it a fish.

jinx · 11-22-2008, 06:00 PM

It's interesting how many people wouldn't give a person in need a freakin' dollar, but seem to support the concept of wealth redistribution in the politics threads...

It's mine, I worked for it, they might not really need it, they might spend it on things I don't approve of etc etc...

monster · 11-22-2008, 06:11 PM

it is? only 6 people voted for give them nothing......

jinx · 11-22-2008, 06:15 PM

Yes, it is.

Cicero · 11-22-2008, 06:38 PM

Better a beggar than a big booger. Yes I came up with that myself...Thanks folks I'll be here all night.

monster · 11-22-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Yes, it is.

OK, so name names! Who's a fucking hyporite?

DanaC · 11-23-2008, 07:02 AM

I hate that word 'bum' it makes the person you're talking about sound worthless, dehumanised.

I also have some sympathy for the guy who flung back the newspaper: after all, life's bad enough if you've nothing without being patronised and condescended to by someone who is doing fine.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-23-2008, 07:15 AM

That's exactly what it means.

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Quick definitions (bum)

▸ noun: a disreputable vagrant ("He tried to help the really down-and-out bums")
▸ noun: person who does no work ("A lazy bum")
▸ noun: the fleshy part of the human body that you sit on
▸ noun: a person who is deemed to be despicable or contemptible ("Throw the bum out")
▸ verb: be lazy or idle ("Her son is just bumming around all day")
▸ verb: ask for and get free; be a parasite
▸ adjective: of very poor quality

DanaC · 11-23-2008, 07:38 AM

Then it's a fucking appalling word to apply to a person.

Pico and ME · 11-23-2008, 07:48 AM

Especially since there is going to be so very many more of them in the coming year.

BrianR · 11-23-2008, 07:52 AM

Dana, I may be politically incorrect but I am precise in my use of words.

Many of our beggars today are there by choice and it is not uncommon to see one in clean clothes, new shoes and well-fed. There are umpteen outreach programs designed to take them off the streets and put them back in productive lives but they do not take advantage of them. If the bum in question does truly want to get off the street and be productive, then they will. Help is there for the asking.

And there was once a case of an old, indigent woman who carried all her possessions in shopping bags for many years. One winter, she finally succumbed to the elements and died. In her bags, police found over $20,000 in cash.

Oh and I lied...I once gave a dollar to a bum in dirty clothes and a dress to stop jumping up and down in front of my car and go away. It was worth the investment. Oh, and also once I gave a sandwich and a bag of dog food to a bum near a truck stop who had a skinny dog.

So perhaps I lied about NEVER giving stuff to bums. But let's call it rarely. VERY rarely.

DanaC · 11-23-2008, 08:06 AM

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Many of our beggars today are there by choice

Unless the individual is known to you, you have no idea what put them where they are, or what barriers they see in their way. If you have a friend, and know that friend to be an idle sod who just hates work, then the word bum may be appropriate. I don't like the judgement cast about people we don't know.

Sorry, not meaning to be a pain :P I have always hated that word.

wolf · 11-23-2008, 10:09 AM

I do know many of those individuals, and the word "bum," although it has fallen out of favor because of political correctness, does still apply.

"Homeless" sounds so much more pitiable than "worthless piece of shit who won't do anything to help or support him/herself but expects me to work so that not only will my tax dollars flow downhill to him/her, but also demands money, food, a place to stay, drugs, and sundries be handed over immediately."

I know them. I know their stories. Not a noble mother of four struggling to find her children a better life among them.

monster · 11-23-2008, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC

I hate that word 'bum' it makes the person you're talking about sound worthless, dehumanised. .

There's probably an element of you being a Brit in there. Over here the term is not more commonly used to mean the arse/ass.

View Poll Results: waht do you do when confronted by a beggar?
Ignore them. Never give to them. fuck em. get a job	7	14.58%
I give pocket change if I'm feeling weak, and regret it.	3	6.25%
It depends on the beggar, mainly	17	35.42%
I follow my whims	16	33.33%
I try to give enough to make them smile	3	6.25%
I give non cash items like food, clothing or beer	8	16.67%
I dig deep	0	0%
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11-22-2008, 05:55 PM	#107
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it a fish. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

11-22-2008, 06:00 PM	#108
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	It's interesting how many people wouldn't give a person in need a freakin' dollar, but seem to support the concept of wealth redistribution in the politics threads... It's mine, I worked for it, they might not really need it, they might spend it on things I don't approve of etc etc... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

11-22-2008, 06:11 PM	#109
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	it is? only 6 people voted for give them nothing...... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

11-22-2008, 06:15 PM	#110
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Yes, it is. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

11-22-2008, 06:38 PM	#111
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Better a beggar than a big booger. Yes I came up with that myself...Thanks folks I'll be here all night. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

11-23-2008, 07:02 AM	#113
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I hate that word 'bum' it makes the person you're talking about sound worthless, dehumanised. I also have some sympathy for the guy who flung back the newspaper: after all, life's bad enough if you've nothing without being patronised and condescended to by someone who is doing fine.

11-23-2008, 07:38 AM	#115
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Then it's a fucking appalling word to apply to a person.

11-23-2008, 07:48 AM	#116
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Especially since there is going to be so very many more of them in the coming year.

11-23-2008, 07:52 AM	#117
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Dana, I may be politically incorrect but I am precise in my use of words. Many of our beggars today are there by choice and it is not uncommon to see one in clean clothes, new shoes and well-fed. There are umpteen outreach programs designed to take them off the streets and put them back in productive lives but they do not take advantage of them. If the bum in question does truly want to get off the street and be productive, then they will. Help is there for the asking. And there was once a case of an old, indigent woman who carried all her possessions in shopping bags for many years. One winter, she finally succumbed to the elements and died. In her bags, police found over $20,000 in cash. Oh and I lied...I once gave a dollar to a bum in dirty clothes and a dress to stop jumping up and down in front of my car and go away. It was worth the investment. Oh, and also once I gave a sandwich and a bag of dog food to a bum near a truck stop who had a skinny dog. So perhaps I lied about NEVER giving stuff to bums. But let's call it rarely. VERY rarely. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

11-23-2008, 10:09 AM	#119
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I do know many of those individuals, and the word "bum," although it has fallen out of favor because of political correctness, does still apply. "Homeless" sounds so much more pitiable than "worthless piece of shit who won't do anything to help or support him/herself but expects me to work so that not only will my tax dollars flow downhill to him/her, but also demands money, food, a place to stay, drugs, and sundries be handed over immediately." I know them. I know their stories. Not a noble mother of four struggling to find her children a better life among them. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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