PETA Recap/Summary - Page 8

garnet · 08-18-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

You personally may not support them, but PETA funds them. Or are you denying that too?

Yup. The only money PETA has ever provided to the ALF or ELF was $1,500 to help pay for the defense of an ALF activist in a civil disobedience case. The individual in the case eventually had the charges dropped due to lack of evidence. There may be ALF supporters among PETA's membership rolls, but PETA cannot control the actions of all of it's 800,000 members. The $1,500 was legally accounted for in financial statements, all of which are public record.

The FBI and IRS are constantly on PETA's case--one investigation after another (because of PETA's tax-empt status). If they haven't found anything in 20 years, they either suck at their jobs or PETA is not guilty of anything.

Trilby · 08-18-2004, 12:27 PM

I just watched the PETA pig video that garnet linked. Oh, god...the people who do those things are sick, sick, sick. If they can do that to a pig they could do it to a person. WHY beat an animal? The men on that video enjoyed torturing those pigs. I'm not going to look at that stuff again. It's too disturbing.

Troubleshooter · 08-18-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

I'm not going to look at that stuff again. It's too disturbing.

Just so long as you don't forget it or ignore it.

glatt · 08-18-2004, 12:59 PM

I watched the pig video too, and I admit it was disturbing. I eat pork regularly, and I don't like to see the pigs being treated that way.

I'm glad PETA was there to film it, and I'm glad the animal abusers were punished.

I wonder how frequently this happens? I have the impression PETA would exaggerate about the frequency of these problems. The video was clearly edited for length. I assume PETA removed all the footage of those workers treating the pigs the way they should, and only focused on the shocking images. One image in particular, the worker shooting the bolt into the pig's head behind the ear, was shocking to watch, but I think it didn't show abuse. It showed incompetence. The worker didn't intentionally torture the animal. The worker later tried to put the animal out of its misery, but it was thrashing around too much. As soon as the pig calmed down a little, a properly lined up shot put it out of its misery. The workers who held the other pigs down with their feet while lining the bolt up for a clean shot were also criticized. I'm sure the pig didn't like being stepped on. But a clean shot that instantly killed the pig was the result. Much better than the thrashing around in the other segment.

The worker slamming the runts down on the floor to kill them, the other one who was beating the pigs, and sick pigs left to die were all inexcusable in my opinion. Those workers are sociopathic. I would keep my eye on them if I were the local cops.

I have a difficult time believing that most pigs are treated this way in the industry as a whole. It's financially in the best interests of the industry to take care of its pigs up until the day they are slaughtered. If a pig is a runt or is sick, it should be slaughtered in a humane way, not beaten or abandoned.

garnet · 08-18-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

I have the impression PETA would exaggerate about the frequency of these problems.

Why? have you spent any time on these types of factory farms? Or is it because you already have a negative opinion of PETA?

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Originally Posted by glatt

The video was clearly edited for length.

Probably because there's literally HUNDREDS of hours of video tape

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Originally Posted by glatt

I assume PETA removed all the footage of those workers treating the pigs the way they should, and only focused on the shocking images.

Do you think these same guys hit pigs with metal rods, slam their heads on the floor and torture them, and then the next day they're sweet and gentle to them? If they do, I'm guessing they've got pretty severe mood swing disorders.

glatt · 08-18-2004, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet

Probably because there's literally HUNDREDS of hours of video tape.

That's my point exactly. You take hundreds of hours of videotape, and cherry pick the few scenes that make your point. PETA is trying to sway public opinion here by tugging the debate towards the extreme. For the most part, pig farmers/factory workers treat the animals in a detached, matter-of-fact, and possibly somewhat rough way. They don't beat the crap out of the animals. That would waste money. Nobody wants to buy bruised meat with infected sores, etc.

I'm not saying these conditions are happy ones for the animals, just that the blatent abuse isn't anywhere near as common as that video would like us to believe. It's propaganda.

Cyber Wolf · 08-18-2004, 01:19 PM

There's a tendency for any cause to focus on the worst of the worst. It gets the point across, sometimes ad nauseum. News and informative media regardless of origin tends to do that. When the priest sexual abuse scandal broke, all you heard about were priests who abused kids or had a long history of abuse and were still in the priesthood in contact with kids, you heard about the bishops who ignored the kids and families of victims, etc etc...during that time, you rarely heard any news about a priest doing anything good for anyone. For that time catholic priest = horny bastard with a 'special' liking for children.

Advocates for eliminating the pit bull are the same way...all you hear about are the few dogs who have attacked people and usually it's attacks that end in severe dismemberment or disfiguration or death that you hear about. You never hear about the sweet natured pit bull who's never gone after or attacked anyone except for the would-be theif she heard outside trying to break into a downstairs window (true story).

xoxoxoBruce · 08-18-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

BIG SNIP-- Those workers are sociopathic. I would keep my eye on them if I were the local cops. ---BIG SNIP

Sociopathic? Well, they are professional killers.

disclaimer- No I don't approve of their behavior. Yes they should be prosecuted.

garnet · 08-18-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

I just watched the PETA pig video that garnet linked. Oh, god...the people who do those things are sick, sick, sick. If they can do that to a pig they could do it to a person. WHY beat an animal? The men on that video enjoyed torturing those pigs. I'm not going to look at that stuff again. It's too disturbing.

Sorry Brianna. Those videos are disgusting, but they are also very powerful. After seeing those videos I knew I couldn't continue to support an industry that finds behavior like that acceptable. I'm not telling everyone to become vegetarian, but I hope it'll make you more aware. Watch it and make your own decision.

wolf · 08-18-2004, 01:12 PM

You missed out on the $70K+ that was given to the guy who firebombed the University of MI animal labs.

garnet · 08-18-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

You missed out on the $70K+ that was given to the guy who firebombed the University of MI animal labs.

Please provide a link for that----oh, let me guess, your link is from the CCF or activistcash.com (also funded by the CCF)

wolf · 08-18-2004, 01:14 PM

Where's the money going that's not listed in the Annual Report? Here's a couple places.

garnet · 08-18-2004, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Where's the money going that's not listed in the Annual Report? Here's a couple places.

Again, activistcash.com is funded by the CCF. You know, the same group backed by big tobacco, the meat industry and liquor peddlers.

wolf · 08-18-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet

Again, activistcash.com is funded by the CCF. You know, the same group backed by big tobacco, the meat industry and liquor peddlers.

At least I'll have a good dinner, a fine brandy, and a nice, satisfying smoke for afters.

garnet · 08-18-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

At least I'll have a good dinner, a fine brandy, and a nice, satisfying smoke for afters.

Don't call me when you keel over from obesity, lung cancer and heart disease.

Have fun!

08-18-2004, 01:19 PM	#7
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	There's a tendency for any cause to focus on the worst of the worst. It gets the point across, sometimes ad nauseum. News and informative media regardless of origin tends to do that. When the priest sexual abuse scandal broke, all you heard about were priests who abused kids or had a long history of abuse and were still in the priesthood in contact with kids, you heard about the bishops who ignored the kids and families of victims, etc etc...during that time, you rarely heard any news about a priest doing anything good for anyone. For that time catholic priest = horny bastard with a 'special' liking for children. Advocates for eliminating the pit bull are the same way...all you hear about are the few dogs who have attacked people and usually it's attacks that end in severe dismemberment or disfiguration or death that you hear about. You never hear about the sweet natured pit bull who's never gone after or attacked anyone except for the would-be theif she heard outside trying to break into a downstairs window (true story). __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

08-18-2004, 01:12 PM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	You missed out on the $70K+ that was given to the guy who firebombed the University of MI animal labs. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-18-2004, 01:14 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Where's the money going that's not listed in the Annual Report? Here's a couple places. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-18-2004, 12:27 PM	#2
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I just watched the PETA pig video that garnet linked. Oh, god...the people who do those things are sick, sick, sick. If they can do that to a pig they could do it to a person. WHY beat an animal? The men on that video enjoyed torturing those pigs. I'm not going to look at that stuff again. It's too disturbing.

08-18-2004, 12:59 PM	#4
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I watched the pig video too, and I admit it was disturbing. I eat pork regularly, and I don't like to see the pigs being treated that way. I'm glad PETA was there to film it, and I'm glad the animal abusers were punished. I wonder how frequently this happens? I have the impression PETA would exaggerate about the frequency of these problems. The video was clearly edited for length. I assume PETA removed all the footage of those workers treating the pigs the way they should, and only focused on the shocking images. One image in particular, the worker shooting the bolt into the pig's head behind the ear, was shocking to watch, but I think it didn't show abuse. It showed incompetence. The worker didn't intentionally torture the animal. The worker later tried to put the animal out of its misery, but it was thrashing around too much. As soon as the pig calmed down a little, a properly lined up shot put it out of its misery. The workers who held the other pigs down with their feet while lining the bolt up for a clean shot were also criticized. I'm sure the pig didn't like being stepped on. But a clean shot that instantly killed the pig was the result. Much better than the thrashing around in the other segment. The worker slamming the runts down on the floor to kill them, the other one who was beating the pigs, and sick pigs left to die were all inexcusable in my opinion. Those workers are sociopathic. I would keep my eye on them if I were the local cops. I have a difficult time believing that most pigs are treated this way in the industry as a whole. It's financially in the best interests of the industry to take care of its pigs up until the day they are slaughtered. If a pig is a runt or is sick, it should be slaughtered in a humane way, not beaten or abandoned.

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