Hey, everybody, I could use some input!

[jinx]

Originally Posted by lookout123

damn, that is harsh UT, i really didn't think you would stoop that low.

He's on such a power trip with this place. It's disgusting really.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I like and dislike various people here just like everyone, although I don't truly get pissed at anyone. The difference is that somehow when I say it, it's supposed to be more meaningful. It isn't. Unless someone is truly messing up the community in some way, how I feel about them has no bearing on whether they should or should not be here.

In fact, the whole place has meant different things to me personally at different times, but when it's not particularly as interesting as usual, I just bypass threads and wait until it IS more interesting.

As a result, the Cellar is constantly changing. Change is necessary. Not just going from a BBS to the internet. For example, how many remember Ghost - an openly acknolwedged gay kid who was brutally attacked for defending his rights. Of (I forgot his name) who wrote some great porn.

A simple rule for any healthy community: personal attack without logical reasoning is taboo. Where, pray tell, is anyone annoying? No one. Not even Lumberjim. Even when lookout123 labels me a liberal, it is his opinion and (from my perspective) is not a personal attack. What he perceives as liberal - anything that is not right wing extremist. At least his flawed logic is understandable. Perspective. I believe he truly believes he is a centrist. He is misguided. But that is a logical conclusion - from my perspective. IOW to be an decent human, first look at how HE perceives things. Emotion has no place in decision - except at the very end to judge whether the logical conclusion makes sense.

What has changed? Every so often, one will post crap - insult another without any factual basis. Lumberjim openly acknowledges why he attacks marichiko. She annoys him. So what? Logic has nothing to do with his conclusions. He is venomous when he uses only emotion to jusitify his conclusions.

As UT once said, this board is not for 17 year olds. Why? Boys and girls let emotions override their logic. Not acceptable from adults. Unfortunately Lumberjim who had stopped posting emotionally (since his personal attacks on April) has returned to his mistaken ways.

Again, enemy of this community are those who post pure emotion unsupported by any logical reasoning.

Let's not forget the original post. Marichiko was simply asking for advise. Nothing she posted should have caused emotion in any adult. There was no whining - if you had read logically. If it bothered you as it bothered Lumberjim, then you have two actions. First you should not reply. Second, you should deal with your mental weaknesses - letting emotion (the head between your legs) override your logic (the head between your shoulders).

[lookout123]

Even when lookout123 labels me a liberal, it is his opinion and (from my perspective) is not a personal attack. What he perceives as liberal - anything that is not right wing extremist. At least his flawed logic is understandable. Perspective. I believe he truly believes he is a centrist. He is misguided. But that is a logical conclusion - from my perspective

now this is the way to start a good argument, i mean discussion. tw, FWIW i just threw you in there because everyone has witnessed our pissing matches. i don't view myself as a centrist. i'm right of center on most issues. just as you are not a centrist either - you are to the left on most issues. that doesn't make you wrong and me right - we just have different priorities based on our respective world views.

I'm bummed that I didn't make lookout's list...

sorry man, i could have gone on and on and... just trying to make a point and release a little pressure in the cellar.

[BigV]

...between a lookyloo and a rubbernecker?

A lookyloo is one who slows down and ties up traffic gaping at the carnage as he drives by on the shoulder, whereas a rubbernecker has to crane his head around and ties up traffic gaping at the carnage as he drives by from the opposite lane of traffic.

I hope the aid cars are on the way, because I gawp and stare but cannot help. I just want to get further on down the road.

The wreckage in this multi car, I mean multi post disaster has clogged the commerce of ideas so completely that I can't tell if I'm a lookyloo or a rubbernecker.

Either that or as some would say (and have done so in the past) that the real problem is that I just don't know if I'm coming or going...

[Undertoad]

That's it, you two are banned.

[BrianR]

I'm bummed that I didn't make lookout's list...

[Undertoad]

So, how would you explain

People hit my pet peeves in a row, what would you do?

[Beestie]

My day late and dollar short thought in this ruptured spleen of a thread is that I think it is better to respond to the post and not the person.

[elSicomoro]

UT, depends on the situation and whether it's worth it to blow up like that or not.

Mari, the offer is still there.

[triestemoi]

So much for the slogan of friendly little coffee shop..............

[elSicomoro]

Man, when I come up there to camp this winter, I'm gonna whip your ass.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Man, when I come up there to camp this winter, I'm gonna whip your ass.

Heh, everybody knows you hit like a Cardinal. :

[elSicomoro]

How about them Yankees, Griff? They had a great playoff run this past year, didn't they?

Because I know how much Jim and UT like Mari, I'm going to keep on her to come back to the board...it's the right thing to do.

[Griff]

So you get to feel superior and be a shit stirrer at the same time. Its the perfect crime! Well played.

[elSicomoro]

Originally Posted by Griff

So you get to feel superior and be a shit stirrer at the same time. Its the perfect crime! Well played.

Sorry, bro. You're a Yankees fan...what am I supposed to do?