Terri Schiavo's Parents Seek Divorce on Her Behalf

[mrnoodle]

lol I know. But this is a pretty unique situation, and whatever you think about Bush, he's been nothing but forthcoming about his views and beliefs. That's one reason why people hate him so much.

I loathed everything about Bill Clinton and his posse of ass-lickers, but even I had to admit that there were times that he appeared genuinely moved by certain things (9/11 for one), and I didn't try to find a way to make him the root of all evil.

Look, it's only 3 1/2 more years, just get over it.

[lizthefiz]

I would still feel more comfortable if a blood relation made the decision. Not a perfect world or answer - just my opinion.

[Kitsune]

I would still feel more comfortable if a blood relation made the decision.

What if her parents wanted to pull the tube? Would you still think that? What if the situation were reversed?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

lol I know. But this is a pretty unique situation, and whatever you think about Bush, he's been nothing but forthcoming about his views and beliefs. That's one reason why people hate him so much.

The only unique thing about this situation is that Bush's brother stuck himself into the process, and invited the rest of the Republicans in.

[mrnoodle]

That and the patient's husband decided to go off and make a new life for himself without yielding any rights as next-of-kin. Oh, and he's estranged from the parents. And the Fla. Supreme Court was involved long before JB - there were something like 7 petitions before his involvement.

And there are Republicans who are against reinserting the tube, and Democrats who are for it. Once again, get over the right vs. left thing. This is beyond that.

[lizthefiz]

If her parents made the decision Michael Schiavo made I would be OK with it.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

That and the patient's husband decided to go off and make a new life for himself without yielding any rights as next-of-kin. Oh, and he's estranged from the parents. And the Fla. Supreme Court was involved long before JB - there were something like 7 petitions before his involvement.

And there are Republicans who are against reinserting the tube, and Democrats who are for it. Once again, get over the right vs. left thing. This is beyond that.

A friend of mine posted this elsewhere.

Not right v left?

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How Did Local Lawmakers Vote In Schiavo Case?
Survey: Agree With House Decision?
Discuss: Locals Share Their Views

Below is the the 203-58 roll call Monday by which the House passed a bill to give Terri Schiavo's parents the right to file suit in federal court over the withdrawal of food and medical treatment needed to sustain her life.

A "yes" vote is a vote to pass the bill.

Voting yes were 47 Democrats, 156 Republicans and no Independents.

Voting no were 53 Democrats, 5 Republicans and no Independents.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

That and the patient's husband decided to go off and make a new life for himself without yielding any rights as next-of-kin. Oh, and he's estranged from the parents. And the Fla. Supreme Court was involved long before JB - there were something like 7 petitions before his involvement.

He made a new life for himself years after the incident. He became estranged from the parents in response to the lawsuits. Desperate people take meritless cases to state supreme courts all the time. None of that is unusual. This case became a circus when Jeb Bush attempted to use his political power to force the courts to rule a certain way, and Delay hopped on board because his name was in the news for the wrong reasons.

And there are Republicans who are against reinserting the tube, and Democrats who are for it. Once again, get over the right vs. left thing. This is beyond that.

Among the rank and file, there is a general consensus in favor of Michael Schiavo. Among the politicians, it is hugely lopsided in a partisan way. The only thing that brought the case to national attention is the partisan aspect.

[mrnoodle]

You're high. This has been a national story for 15 years. I defer to your statistics as far as partisanship goes, though. Although, when was the last time 47 Democrats sided with Bush on anything? That's practically a mandate.

Oh yeah, they agreed on going to war *duck*

[Kitsune]

If her parents made the decision Michael Schiavo made I would be OK with it.

In our society, your parents don't have any rights over your life or property once you are married or explicity state it in (as in a living will). Why do you not agree with that? You would rather everyone's parents had the ability to null out their spouse's will when they are not able to communicate their wishes? Just because of a blood relation?

[Happy Monkey]

The Democrats reflected the general consensus of the nation, while the Republicans voted as a partisan bloc. Though I wish the Democrats had reflected the 70-30 consensus against Congress intervening, rather than the 60-40 split against reinserting the feeding tube.

I used the term "circus", not "national story". A quick mention on CNN can make something a "national story". This case became a circus when Jeb Bush involved himself. Until that point, it was two parties exercising all available options to the extent available by law. Then Jeb jumps in and says "I'll override the judicial system in this case!" That's what separated this case from any other dispute over guardianship status.

[tw]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Although, when was the last time 47 Democrats sided with Bush on anything? That's practically a mandate.

"Impose religion on all people" is now the litmus test. Your question was answered 18 Mar and later

Don’t forget why this controversy exists. Religious beliefs being imposed upon others. Science says she is a human vegetable. But those of religious superiority insist science must be wrong. Why? Political extremists just know they see intelligence - science be damned. Religious beliefs again being promoted upon others. You don't have the right to die. Extremist (Ashcroft) also did this in Oregon in direct contradiction to the voters wishes. Just another example of Satanism - imposing religious beliefs upon others.

Religious extremists have made this a litmus test of who they will take out. Remember, the religious vote religiously. The majority don't vote. This is not about Terri Schiavo' oatmeal brain. This is about forcing religious beliefs on all other people. The rights that Terri Schiavo and her husband once had have been long since destroyed by a right wing religious agenda. An agenda to find build an enemies list.

The courts have repeatedly rejected every issue put forth by religious extremists. You would never know that from the posts by mrnoodle. The courts are solidly honoring Terri and Michael's rights.

No this is not about Terri. She is to be screwed. Right wing religion has declared Terri the battle cry to deny all the right of euthanasia. George Jr knows where he gets his votes. George Jr has decided he knows what is right - without even learning the facts. He has been told what the Christian party line is. Screw Terri and her husband to the max. Only religious rhetoric is important here.

Appreciate why even Democrats are on the band wagon. The religious voter. You (plural) the majority do not vote. Well over 90% of religous extremists do vote. "Screw human rights", say even Democrats. "I want to get reelected. Screw Terri Schiavo. She does not have enough brain to survive let alone vote."

It’s called rape by politics. OK. The courts are foolishly representing American principles of human rights. But don't worry. We will fix government so that you can be saved. No one expects a Spanish Inquisition - especially the Schiavos. And yes, that is why even Democrats voted to condenm Terri Schiavo. Religion must be imposed on all infidels. Terri Schiavo is simply a targetting manuever. The litmus test will identify which Congressman and Judges are to be attacked next - to save you from your rights.

Its no accident that one lawyer said Terri's death would be a mortal sin. Screw the law. They are testing each judge and congressman to define their enemies - as even the Pope has encouraged.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by tw

something about religion

Let me see if I have this right. The reason why anyone wants to keep Terri Schiavo alive is because to do so imposes government-mandated religion on those who don't vote. This group comprises at least 51% of the populace and, while obviously superior in intelligence (they don't believe in God), are so unmotivated that they can't leave the house once every four years to pull a lever.

My brain is fried from work, but I'm pretty sure I got the gist of it.

How about an alternative. "Since we don't really know her wishes (dammit, get a living will people) and her husband's motivation is equally cloudy, let's keep her alive until we can review the whole issue again."

Damn Jesus freaks.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

How about an alternative. "Since we don't really know her wishes (dammit, get a living will people) and her husband's motivation is equally cloudy, let's keep her alive until we can review the whole issue again."

How many "again"s? The issue has been reviewed and rereviewed since 2000, and the same conclusion has been reached each time.

[Troubleshooter]

Wait until Jeb tries to take her into protective custody with family services powers...