Yes, the banning of the juvenile death penalty was...

[lookout123]

or maybe this is just another symptom of our ever-increasing population combined with our ever-decreasing sense of accountability.

more and more people, living closer and closer together, with a larger and larger sense of entitlement with no fear repurcussion. you've got a couple of generations of "don't let anyone tell you what to do - think for yourself"* ingrained into the kids and BLAMMO! more and stupider sh*t happens.

* this is not to suggest we should raise nonthinking subservient clones, but rather that individualism and selfcenteredness can be taken too far.

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally Posted by lookout123

or maybe this is just another symptom of our ever-increasing population combined with our ever-decreasing sense of accountability.

more and more people, living closer and closer together, with a larger and larger sense of entitlement with no fear repurcussion. you've got a couple of generations of "don't let anyone tell you what to do - think for yourself"* ingrained into the kids and BLAMMO! more and stupider sh*t happens.

* this is not to suggest we should raise nonthinking subservient clones, but rather that individualism and selfcenteredness can be taken too far.

I agree on this. My whole point is accountability, more so than the death penalty itself. No one ever has to take responsibility anymore, because it's always someone or something ele's fault that they do the things they do. As long as we keep blaming everyone and everything except the person who committed an act, then there will be the opinion that punishment does not work. How can it work when people have been brought up to believe that nothing is their fault, and hence, they don't deserve punishment?

I'm the first to swat my daughter's bottom when she does something I've told her not to do repeatedly. That's punishment. It's deserved punishment, and it's also a deterrant to her doing it again in the future. It's not my fault that she committed a forbidden act; often, she knows that she's not supposed to do it, because she'll look at me while she's doing it, with that, "hmm...are you going to stop me?" look. I don't give her a punishment that's overly severe for the act. I rarely have to do more than slap her hand or swat her bottom. She cries for a minute, but it's more for effect, and she knows then that sticking one's finger in the light socket is forbidden.


And as to Wolf's comment on the cartoons *grin*...perhaps it was said in a joking manner, but whenever someone slams today's movies as the source of violence in people, especially children, I generally make the point that the movies are more realistic in re consequences than the cartoons are. Ol' Wiley E. Coyote gets blown up, smooshed, etc., and always comes back. When the Terminator blows you away, you're gone for good. Now which one shows consequences in a more realistic way? Hm? Hm? HM?




Sidhe

[xoxoxoBruce]

Punishment...deterrent...BLAMMO....Hmmm

this is not to suggest we should raise nonthinking subservient clones, but rather that individualism and selfcenteredness can be taken too far.

Yeah, it's all about "ME". Nobody seems to care how their (or anyones) actions affect the community, the country or even the family.

[wolf]

I have long espoused a theory that much like Malthus' rats there is a level of population density beyond which humans start eating each other.

[lookout123]

i'm still pretty picky about who i eat, so we obviously haven't gotten to that density yet.

[wolf]

You aren't in NYC. I'm very worried about BreakingNews. So many people there like Chinese ...

[lookout123]

from the posts i've read, he seems to like this and is doing his best to spread the wealth, so to speak.

[wolf]

Yes, my statement about cartoons was in jest. Sorry for lack of smiley. I was always very, very pissed off by the sanitized verions of the Looney Tunes Classics.

[mrnoodle]

And on Tom and Jerry, the old black lady that runs the house has been paled down and given a scottish accent.

that's blasphemy.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

And on Tom and Jerry, the old black lady that runs the house has been paled down and given a scottish accent.

that's blasphemy.

I have a couple of Tom and Jerry dvds at home where the old black lady that runs the house speaks CHINESE! In fact there are two different language tracks in chinese, including subtitles in english and mandarin.

[Troubleshooter]

I'm going to have to do some checking. I have volumes one and two of the new golden collections (116 episodes, not including extras) and I have to tell you they look intact. They're supposedly remastered and unedited. The extras even include the propoganda films from the war.

Now I'm going to watch every episode and compare them to the notes.

Dammit...

[Lady Sidhe]

Yup. One of our cartoons is Porky Pig, I think, and it has him talking to Abraham Lincoln about our history. I'm pretty sure that one doesn't see the light of day anymore....

Wolf: Cool page. I haven't seen that one before. Thanks for posting it.


Sidhe

[Troubleshooter]

I like the one that has Porky doing the pledge without 'under god' in it.

[wolf]

I could have sworn I posted this last night ...

[BigV]

Originally Posted by wolf

I could have sworn I posted this last night ...

Nice, thanks, wolf!