So, what is the difference.... - Page 9

Undertoad · 07-31-2006, 10:51 AM

For the last four years Hez has occasionally lobbed rockets into Israel from S. Lebanon. For years Israel asked them politely to please stop. So yes, this isn't only about two kidnappings. tw ignores what he wants to ignore.

Happy Monkey · 07-31-2006, 01:00 PM

So Israel has been successfully integrated into Hezbollah's propaganda effort. You'd think they could be smarter han the average bear.

Trilby · 07-31-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So Israel has been successfully integrated into Hezbollah's propaganda effort. You'd think they could be smarter han the average bear.

Isn't that the feeling you are getting?

Ibby · 07-31-2006, 01:10 PM

The rusty wire that holds the cork
That keeps the anger in
Gives way
And suddenly it's day again.
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done.
Two suns in the sunset...
Could be the human race is run.

Happy Monkey · 07-31-2006, 01:15 PM

It is exactly the feeling I am getting. I wasn't being sarcastic. Hezbollah has Israel dancing precisely to its tune. They provoke Israel into doing something stupid, and then use Israel's stupidity for recruiting purposes.

Ibby · 07-31-2006, 02:44 PM

I think her point is, if theyre your motal enemies and youve both committed to the destruction of eachother, don't assume you know what they will do.

tw · 07-31-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I think her point is, if theyre your motal enemies and youve both committed to the destruction of eachother, don't assume you know what they will do.

Welcome to the Middle East where wackos become leaders, where assassinations of those who would promote peace are routine, where some assume democracy will solve all, where so many assume everything in terms of 'black and white' / 'good verses evil', and where the words of Kahlil Gibran - concept so standard elsewhere - were promoted as a revelation. Every action is nothing more than a crap shoot. Hopefully the region can find enough stable people to keep another Lebanon Civil War, et al from occurring.

Even a once stabilizing force - the United States - is instead trying to destabilize the entire region with final (military) crusades. There is no reasonable solution. Everything in the Middle East is becoming a game of roulette when even the 800 pound gorilla advocates pre-emption.

Trilby · 07-31-2006, 03:20 PM

Where's the proof that word came from Washington to Israel to use the 'final solution' as you put it-? Only a child would ignore this question.

Undertoad · 07-31-2006, 03:29 PM

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Meanwhile, why do you think Condi Rice refused to call for a ceasefire when virtually every other nation in the world demands same?

Because every other nation in the world can only demand it while Rice actually has to produce it.

tw · 07-31-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Because every other nation in the world can only demand it while Rice actually has to produce it.

Condi Rice did what is necessary to obstruct a ceasefire. Does the English speech from the Lebanese Prime Minister mean nothing? He was saying who was obstructing a ceasefire - Condi Rice and America. He was talking to you (et al).

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 03:48 PM

For some reason there was not a lot of calls for a ceasefire when Hezbullah were the only ones firing. Go figure.

I'm expecting that if any of the people whining about "proportional response" are ever mugged by a one-armed man, they will fight back honorably by keeping one hand behind their back.

Undertoad · 07-31-2006, 04:10 PM

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Why did the Prime Minister of Lebanon give his speech in English? I have been posting reason after reason.

Not really dude. You've been posting your usual "the answer is left as an exercise for the reader" riddles, which are intended to demonstrate that you are smarter than everyone else without actually having to, you know, present your actual argument.

I don't put much stock in what Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora has to say. He has an impossible task. Lebanon is made up of many different parts and keeping it together is hard. And his first goal will be to preserve his own head. Hez's power play is not solely directed towards the south. Previous PMs have been assassinated, it's figured to be via Syria.

tw · 07-31-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Not really dude. You've been posting your usual "the answer is left as an exercise for the reader" riddles, which are intended to demonstrate that you are smarter than everyone else without actually having to, you know, present your actual argument.

What part of "don't come back until you (Condi Rice) call for a ceasefire" (not an exact quote) did you not understand? Where was the riddle? What part of that statement that he made in English did you not understand? How much more blunt need he get before you realize who is obstructing a ceasefire?

Apparently you call riddles what is published fact. How blunt must the prime minister of Lebanon be before you will acknowledge that reality?

Undertoad · 07-31-2006, 04:55 PM

So the fact he spoke in English to demand ceasefire at Rice is proof that this particular action is directed from Washington?

Trilby · 07-31-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

So the fact he spoke in English to demand ceasefire at Rice is proof that this particular action is directed from Washington?

That's my confusion, too. tw says Washington ordered Israel to fight Hzb. To enact a Final Solution--tw's words. His proof of this is that the Lebanese PM spoke in English to demand a ceasefire to Condi. How does that equal orders FROM Washington TO Israel?

07-31-2006, 01:00 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	So Israel has been successfully integrated into Hezbollah's propaganda effort. You'd think they could be smarter han the average bear. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-31-2006, 01:10 PM	#4
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	The rusty wire that holds the cork That keeps the anger in Gives way And suddenly it's day again. The sun is in the east Even though the day is done. Two suns in the sunset... Could be the human race is run. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-31-2006, 01:15 PM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It is exactly the feeling I am getting. I wasn't being sarcastic. Hezbollah has Israel dancing precisely to its tune. They provoke Israel into doing something stupid, and then use Israel's stupidity for recruiting purposes. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-31-2006, 02:44 PM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I think her point is, if theyre your motal enemies and youve both committed to the destruction of eachother, don't assume you know what they will do. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

07-31-2006, 03:20 PM	#8
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Where's the proof that word came from Washington to Israel to use the 'final solution' as you put it-? Only a child would ignore this question. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

07-31-2006, 10:51 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	For the last four years Hez has occasionally lobbed rockets into Israel from S. Lebanon. For years Israel asked them politely to please stop. So yes, this isn't only about two kidnappings. tw ignores what he wants to ignore.

07-31-2006, 03:48 PM	#11
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	For some reason there was not a lot of calls for a ceasefire when Hezbullah were the only ones firing. Go figure. I'm expecting that if any of the people whining about "proportional response" are ever mugged by a one-armed man, they will fight back honorably by keeping one hand behind their back. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

07-31-2006, 04:55 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	So the fact he spoke in English to demand ceasefire at Rice is proof that this particular action is directed from Washington?

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