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Griff · 10-14-2016, 06:51 AM

Do we declare the GOP officially broken now or do we wait for election day?

The funny thing is the Democratic win is going to double down on a Party that represents banks and bombs not people so their realignment will be tortuously slow. Whatever the new right becomes it's going to happen faster than the new left, unless Hillary gets her nuclear exchange with Russia, then politics get local.

tw · 10-14-2016, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Do we declare the GOP officially broken now or do we wait for election day?

An underlying theory states that the nominee still changes his party whether he wins or suffers a major defeat. This happened with Goldwater, Nixon, Dole, and others. So how will Trump change this party?

Clodfobble · 10-14-2016, 03:22 PM

I'll tell you one thing, if the Republican Party survives at all, you can bet they'll have super delegates next time around.

BigV · 10-14-2016, 06:01 PM

Maybe.

But the rules committee could have written Trump out at any time. My take on this is actually quite close to what we've heard from President Obama this week. This is the candidate you reap when you sow what you've sown. Seriously. Anti intellectualism, fearmongering, etc. They've got their gerrymandering game *down*, but Trump bypassed all that and used his talents with TV and spoke directly to the people. Sold himself to the people. The republicans were swindled. Trump is no republican, he's a Trumpist.

Clodfobble · 10-17-2016, 03:20 PM

How could the rules committee have written him out? I'm not sure what you mean.

BigV · 10-18-2016, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

How could the rules committee have written him out? I'm not sure what you mean.

Here's a link to just one of the stories in the run up to the nomination.

The upshot is this, that when it became clear that Trump would garner enough delegates via the primary season to become the Republican nominee (under normal circumstances), the urgency to resort to other measures to deny him the nomination increased. One of those attempts/plots was to use one of the rules of the convention that basically said if a certain number of states asked for a voice vote. The RNC leadership was not fully down with this effort led by some non-Trump firebrands among the delegates and discounted the number of states that had signed the petition and thus sidestepped the issue of a floor vote.

Even earlier in the season, the rules committee had meetings where they discussed the rules (duh). And there was discussion as to whether or not change the rules to make things harder for Trump, and they didn't.
That's the one about rule 39 that I remember, but... I couldn't easily find a citation.

classicman · 10-17-2016, 04:04 PM

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Trump is no republican, he's a Trumpist.

He's actually a Democrat.

Happy Monkey · 10-17-2016, 05:07 PM

No, he's a Trumpist. He was a Democrat when it was convenient, now he's a Republican, but he doesn't know what their policies are, let alone subscribe to them.

to clarify: "their" = either party.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-17-2016, 09:15 PM

Trump knows exactly what you need, 76 trombones lead the big parade....

Clodfobble · 10-18-2016, 06:37 PM

Wouldn't it be amazing to find out that Hillary's team had stuffed the ballot box from the very beginning for Trump, ensuring that she'd have a complete dildo to run against in the general? Swing a few early primaries and momentum does the rest.

Griff · 10-18-2016, 07:35 PM

Well Wikileaks does say she was pimping the media to cover him more to make him the top dog... Ever wonder why Saturday Night Live handed their stage over to him the last time you watched that show?

Flint · 03-27-2017, 05:05 PM

Robert Reich had a good article, somewhere, about how nothing else can be fixed--nothing--without first addressing money in politics. A lot of people listened to Bernie Sanders this time around, maybe we'll get some traction. Of course, the Democrats will try to squash their own progressives by continuing to take big money, and trying to win elections by appearing 'diverse' (while not really addressing the common problems that we all face).

Clodfobble · 03-27-2017, 10:44 PM

Represent.us is bringing an executive order to the White House on Wednesday that would end lobbyist money. In case you were thinking Trump might sign something worthwhile for once...

xoxoxoBruce · 03-28-2017, 12:35 AM

I'll believe it when I see it. But even if it happened wouldn't that just drive it underground and give the lobbyists more leverage to blackmail?

Undertoad · 03-28-2017, 07:10 AM

Hillary outspent Trump 2 to 1 and it did nothing. In a communication age they are going to have to work out different ways to teach the public how they are supposed to vote

10-14-2016, 06:51 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Do we declare the GOP officially broken now or do we wait for election day? The funny thing is the Democratic win is going to double down on a Party that represents banks and bombs not people so their realignment will be tortuously slow. Whatever the new right becomes it's going to happen faster than the new left, unless Hillary gets her nuclear exchange with Russia, then politics get local. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-14-2016, 03:22 PM	#3
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I'll tell you one thing, if the Republican Party survives at all, you can bet they'll have super delegates next time around. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-14-2016, 06:01 PM	#4
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Maybe. But the rules committee could have written Trump out at any time. My take on this is actually quite close to what we've heard from President Obama this week. This is the candidate you reap when you sow what you've sown. Seriously. Anti intellectualism, fearmongering, etc. They've got their gerrymandering game down, but Trump bypassed all that and used his talents with TV and spoke directly to the people. Sold himself to the people. The republicans were swindled. Trump is no republican, he's a Trumpist. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-17-2016, 03:20 PM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	How could the rules committee have written him out? I'm not sure what you mean. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-17-2016, 05:07 PM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	No, he's a Trumpist. He was a Democrat when it was convenient, now he's a Republican, but he doesn't know what their policies are, let alone subscribe to them. to clarify: "their" = either party. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-17-2016, 09:15 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Trump knows exactly what you need, 76 trombones lead the big parade.... __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-18-2016, 06:37 PM	#10
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Wouldn't it be amazing to find out that Hillary's team had stuffed the ballot box from the very beginning for Trump, ensuring that she'd have a complete dildo to run against in the general? Swing a few early primaries and momentum does the rest. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-18-2016, 07:35 PM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Well Wikileaks does say she was pimping the media to cover him more to make him the top dog... Ever wonder why Saturday Night Live handed their stage over to him the last time you watched that show? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-27-2017, 05:05 PM	#12
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Robert Reich had a good article, somewhere, about how nothing else can be fixed--nothing--without first addressing money in politics. A lot of people listened to Bernie Sanders this time around, maybe we'll get some traction. Of course, the Democrats will try to squash their own progressives by continuing to take big money, and trying to win elections by appearing 'diverse' (while not really addressing the common problems that we all face). __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-27-2017, 10:44 PM	#13
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Represent.us is bringing an executive order to the White House on Wednesday that would end lobbyist money. In case you were thinking Trump might sign something worthwhile for once... __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

03-28-2017, 12:35 AM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'll believe it when I see it. But even if it happened wouldn't that just drive it underground and give the lobbyists more leverage to blackmail? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-28-2017, 07:10 AM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Hillary outspent Trump 2 to 1 and it did nothing. In a communication age they are going to have to work out different ways to teach the public how they are supposed to vote

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