Will the Second Amendment survive?

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by jinx

What??? No it doesn't, lol.

If you say so.

And how would you have worded it, keeping the intent in mind of course...

I'm not qualified to say how it should be worded jinx. I do believe that if so many people who have to live according to that constitution of yours and can find the wording so obscure as to feel the need to argue about it constantly, then it's not worded correctly.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I'm not qualified to say how it should be worded jinx. I do believe that if so many people who have to live according to that constitution of yours and can find the wording so obscure as to feel the need to argue about it constantly, then it's not worded correctly.

There will always be people who try to infringe on the rights of others, no matter how the protection of those rights is worded. Including the right of free speech apparently...

The simple act of them saying... infringes on another persons right to their particular way of life.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by jinx

What??? No it doesn't, lol.

And how would you have worded it, keeping the intent in mind of course...

I find this amusing. Asking an anti-gun nut how they would word the 2nd amendment in a way that would keep with the original intent of the founders to protect the birthright of every person in America to keep and bear any number of any type of weapons they choose.

It reminds me of a tv show I saw recently where someone wanted to ask the Republicans in a debate if they could have gone back in time and aborted Hitler or Saddam Hussein when he was a fetus if they'd do it, or if the only way to prevent a nuclear war in America would be for them to have sex with someone of the same sex, if they'd do it.

[Radar]

You falsely claim that one man can't have a right without it affecting another person's. That is laughable. My right to life does not infringe on the rights of others to live. My right to keep and bear arms does not affect anyone else's rights. My rights do not infringe on the rights of anyone else.

Feel free to tell me how my right to own a gun has any effect on the rights of my neighbor.

We've got piercehawkeye45 stupidly claiming that rights don't exist in reality when they are as tangible and gravity. They are self-evident and real, and if you attempt to violate my rights you will get a very real bullet passing through your skull.

How is this for an argument...

I have the right to keep and bear arms. I was born with this right. If you attempt to violate this right, I will violate your right to life in return. Try to take my gun, and I WILL take your life...PERIOD.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Radar

We've got piercehawkeye45 stupidly claiming that rights don't exist in reality when they are as tangible and gravity. They are self-evident and real, and if you attempt to violate my rights you will get a very real bullet passing through your skull.

I've still yet to see proof to back up your argument.

Rights are not tangible to gravity. We've already been over this before and you have just shown your lack of knowledge in physics. Rights would be tangible to morals. Morals and rights mean shit when there is only one person because they involve the interaction between two people, so therefore you need a society to exercise rights and morals. Morals are influenced by society and so are rights.


Just because I probably will have to spell this out for you, I do believe in the idea of rights, it is imperative for our society to avoid falling apart, but I do not believe some magical creature or a nihilistic cage gave them to me either.

[jinx]

You believe a piece of paper gave them to you?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I've still yet to see proof to back up your argument.

Rights are not tangible to gravity. We've already been over this before and you have just shown your lack of knowledge in physics. Rights would be tangible to morals. Morals and rights mean shit when there is only one person because they involve the interaction between two people, so therefore you need a society to exercise rights and morals. Morals are influenced by society and so are rights.


Just because I probably will have to spell this out for you, I do believe in the idea of rights, it is imperative for our society to avoid falling apart, but I do not believe some magical creature or a nihilistic cage gave them to me either.

We've been through this before and you proved that you know absolutely nothing about physics or about rights. You proved that you would deny gravity while falling off a cliff. Deny rights all you like, but as I said, you'll feel a very real and tangible bullet going through your skull when you try to violate my rights.

Society has no bearing on rights. Nor does the number of people who exist. Our rights are the same regardless of how oppressive a government we happen to be living under. Our rights are the same even if we're the only person on earth. If you believe our rights have anything to do with the society in which we live, or you believe rights have anything to do with morality, you are clueless.

Our unalienable rights are self-evident and are as real and tangible as gravity. If you deny that they are self-evident and tangible, you are just a 'tard and a childish little troll as we discovered during our last conversation.

I don't believe in god. I don't believe in magic. I do believe in rights because they are very real and tangible as I've proven many times over.

You come off as a pseudo-intellectual wannabe who is over compensating for your woefully pitiful understanding on the subject. Perhaps if you would actually read a few books, you'd have a better understanding of our very real, tangible, undeniable, and unalienable rights.

Start off by reading these...

Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do - Peter McWilliams
The Law - Frederic Bastiat
Natural Law - Lysander Spooner
Libertarianism in One Lesson - David Bergland
Restoring the American Dream - Robert Ringer
The Discovery of Freedom - Rose Wilder Lane
The Ethics of Liberty - Murray N. Rothbard
On Liberty - John Stuart Mill
Two Treatises of Government - John Locke
Declaration of Independence - Thomas Jefferson
Man vs. the State - Herbert Spencer
Essays on Freedom & Power - Lord Acton
Civil Disobedience - Henry David Thoreau

Then you'll be partially qualified to have a conversation with me on the topic of human rights. Until you've read those all twice and let them sink in, you know less than nothing about the subject.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Radar

Deny rights all you like, but as I said, you'll feel a very real and tangible bullet going through your skull when you try to violate my rights.

Pardon me for butting in here but.....has it been proven that one would actually feel the destruction of one's brain, the organ that registers the senses?

In that circumstance, would someone not just "wake up dead" without feeling the bullet?

Just askin' here.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

We've been through this before and you proved that you know absolutely nothing about physics or about rights. You proved that you would deny gravity while falling off a cliff. Deny rights all you like, but as I said, you'll feel a very real and tangible bullet going through your skull when you try to violate my rights.

How is that relevant? A real and tangible bullet goes through brains with no regard to whose rights are what.

[Aliantha]

My right to life does not infringe on the rights of others to live.

Yes it does. If that other person is threatening your right to live, you'll shoot them, thus eliminating their right to live. You are putting your right to live above that persons right to live.

It's very simple radar. All rights infringe on others.

[Radar]

Wrong.

My right to life does not infringe on the rights of others to live. Nor does my right to defend my life. If you choose to infringe on my rights and I take your life, I have not violated your rights because I was using DEFENSIVE force, rather than OFFENSIVE force.

Try again.

[Aliantha]

I don't need to try again Radar. I have proved my point. You're just too obnoxious to realize it.

Cya.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't need to try again Radar. I have proved my point. You're just too obnoxious to realize it.

Cya.

No, as usual you've proven nothing and are touting empty claims of victory. You're too dimwitted to realize that we all have inalienable rights including the right to wield any weapon we can obtain honestly and that our rights do not infringe on the rights of others.

You are acting in your typical idiotic way.

[Aliantha]

Oh, just one more thing to correct you on before I do leave you to it though.

Your right to live is one right.

Your right to defend yourself is another right.

They are two separate rights, not one combined.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Oh, just one more thing to correct you on before I do leave you to it though.

Your right to live is one right.

Your right to defend yourself is another right.

They are two separate rights, not one combined.

Your right to life is not separated from your right to defend that life. You seem to be clueless on virtually every subject. I have to set the record straight every time you spew your nonsense.