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HungLikeJesus · 02-10-2009, 12:20 AM

Yes, you're right, Ali. China is running into all kinds of unanticipated issues, like an unbalanced male/female ratio (my wife thinks China will go to war just to balance this out).

I think the only answer is to let the human race just fade away and the koalas can run things for the next few thousand years.

Aliantha · 02-10-2009, 12:22 AM

Hmmm...koalas are pretty stupid animals you know. Almost as stupid as humans.

I think the mice will be happy to take over.

sugarpop · 02-10-2009, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

So how many kids should people have then HLJ? Do you think we should stop breeding all together? Or just have one? China tried that out of course, and look at the human rights issues that resulted from that.

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Yes, you're right, Ali. China is running into all kinds of unanticipated issues, like an unbalanced male/female ratio (my wife thinks China will go to war just to balance this out).

Well, I think part of that stems from the fact that China is such a patriarchal society. Women are not valued, and so girl babies are not wanted. That resulted in all kinds of human rights issues.

sugarpop · 02-10-2009, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Hmmm...koalas are pretty stupid animals you know. Almost as stupid as humans.

I think the mice will be happy to take over.

Or the cockroaches...

binky · 02-10-2009, 08:06 AM

Okay now I'm pissed. I read this morning that our latest California whackjob gets social security for some of her 14 kids, and foodstamps. This in a state so broke, that I can't get the tax refund, that I am fairly owed, for a month, and may get an IOU from the state even then

sugarpop · 02-10-2009, 09:02 AM

Yes. I heard this morning she was getting over $400 in food stamps, and a few thousand for something else. THAT is why she shouldn't have been able to make that choice. Man, I am fucking PISSED OFF about this. grrrrrr. California apparently does have a much more generous program for people like her, even if they are illegal immigrants. I thought after a certain number of kids, your benefits actually went DOWN. And they should. We should not be encouraging people to have loads of kids when they have no way to take care of them. And those babies are going to need some serious care. And apparently, some of her other kids are mentally ill. Is that not a reason to stop her from having more? sheesh.

classicman · 02-10-2009, 01:37 PM

Gee really? And I thought she was getting by on her looks - NOT!
Maybe they should pass a law that if you are on welfare or state funding you cannot have any more kids or something. This doesn't seem feasible, but damn this shit is getting ridiculous.

TheMercenary · 02-10-2009, 01:40 PM

I saw her on the tube last night. She is oblivious.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-10-2009, 01:43 PM

Yes, it's infuriating. I try to keep in mind that this idiot, and a few others I hear of, are anomalies and don't represent the millions of people that are doing the best they can but losing ground. I don't mine giving a helping hand to the majority.
There will always be scammers but we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water.

TheMercenary · 02-10-2009, 01:46 PM

Well stated. In this day and age I am not thinking much past this one person at this point. The problem is there is a whole bunch of other people out there like her. Not with multipul births but scamming the system where now thousands of others could be using it as designed.

DanaC · 02-10-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

There will always be scammers but we shouldn't throw out the babies with the bath water.

Fixed!

piercehawkeye45 · 02-10-2009, 03:11 PM

I'm not against the idea of population control, it has been used well into prehistoric times, but the issue becomes extremely tricky. In order to have a good population control system, we first need to find a saturation population based on an average standard of living. This works similar to designing a water treatment plant. If we do not know how much water is used per capita, no design will be successful unless by pure chance. Then resource regulation has to come into play. If we are going to start focusing on population control, regulating resources must go hand in hand or else the saturation population will drop and we will resource droughts for some people.

I strongly believe that without regulating both factors, population and resources, we can never produce an effective population control method. Obviously regulation control does not mean that each person can only have so many gallons of gas per day, but a national goal has to be set and met.

After getting our resource use goal, we can then determine how many people can live under that resource goal and make actions accordingly. If the population is not threatening the stability of the community, influential campaigns will be more effective. If the population is threatening the stability of the community, harsher methods should be used. It will be completely dynamic based on the situation on hand.

I greatly prefer this because it should not go against individual rights unless we are in great crisis because we will be looking at birth rates from a national level. If one person has 14 kids and 14 other families have one less kid then the average goal, we do not have a problem on a national level.

That brings me to my opinion on this issue. An increase of 10 children is not large on a global or even national level but the questions are whether she is the norm, we have the resources to handle that increase if it is the norm, and whether she as an individual can support her children.

On the national level, our population (USA) is increasing. For every woman having 5+ children, we do not seem to have 3 families having only one or even no children. But that is a different issue.

If she can not pay for more children, then I am against handing it money to her within our current system. If you are under welfare and show no signs of coming off, no extra money should be given for having an excessive number of children (5+ being excessive). If you are financially stable with 14 kids and then hit a roadblock and need to go to welfare, that is a different story.

All in all, I don't really care. Most people don't have 14 children and the extra money given to her won't effect me but I can see how this can be a problem if this happens to often.

Trilby · 02-10-2009, 03:14 PM

I guess people are mad b/c they feel she's being rewarded for mental illnesss and nutty behavior. That's my guess.

Aliantha · 02-10-2009, 03:20 PM

If that's why they're mad they should probably get over it. The world is full of nutjobs.

Trilby · 02-10-2009, 03:22 PM

"Get Over It" - the Eagles

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing

Get over it
Get over it
If you don't want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it, Get over it

It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You're makin' the most of your losin' streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

Get over it
Get over it
It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit
Get over it, get over it

02-10-2009, 12:20 AM	#121
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Yes, you're right, Ali. China is running into all kinds of unanticipated issues, like an unbalanced male/female ratio (my wife thinks China will go to war just to balance this out). I think the only answer is to let the human race just fade away and the koalas can run things for the next few thousand years. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

02-10-2009, 12:22 AM	#122
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Hmmm...koalas are pretty stupid animals you know. Almost as stupid as humans. I think the mice will be happy to take over. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-10-2009, 08:06 AM	#125
binky all hollowed out Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ridgecrest, CA Posts: 982	Okay now I'm pissed. I read this morning that our latest California whackjob gets social security for some of her 14 kids, and foodstamps. This in a state so broke, that I can't get the tax refund, that I am fairly owed, for a month, and may get an IOU from the state even then __________________ The meanest Mom EVER!!!!

02-10-2009, 01:37 PM	#127
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Gee really? And I thought she was getting by on her looks - NOT! Maybe they should pass a law that if you are on welfare or state funding you cannot have any more kids or something. This doesn't seem feasible, but damn this shit is getting ridiculous. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-10-2009, 01:40 PM	#128
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I saw her on the tube last night. She is oblivious. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-10-2009, 09:02 AM	#126
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Yes. I heard this morning she was getting over $400 in food stamps, and a few thousand for something else. THAT is why she shouldn't have been able to make that choice. Man, I am fucking PISSED OFF about this. grrrrrr. California apparently does have a much more generous program for people like her, even if they are illegal immigrants. I thought after a certain number of kids, your benefits actually went DOWN. And they should. We should not be encouraging people to have loads of kids when they have no way to take care of them. And those babies are going to need some serious care. And apparently, some of her other kids are mentally ill. Is that not a reason to stop her from having more? sheesh.

02-10-2009, 01:43 PM	#129
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yes, it's infuriating. I try to keep in mind that this idiot, and a few others I hear of, are anomalies and don't represent the millions of people that are doing the best they can but losing ground. I don't mine giving a helping hand to the majority. There will always be scammers but we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-10-2009, 01:46 PM	#130
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Well stated. In this day and age I am not thinking much past this one person at this point. The problem is there is a whole bunch of other people out there like her. Not with multipul births but scamming the system where now thousands of others could be using it as designed. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-10-2009, 03:11 PM	#132
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I'm not against the idea of population control, it has been used well into prehistoric times, but the issue becomes extremely tricky. In order to have a good population control system, we first need to find a saturation population based on an average standard of living. This works similar to designing a water treatment plant. If we do not know how much water is used per capita, no design will be successful unless by pure chance. Then resource regulation has to come into play. If we are going to start focusing on population control, regulating resources must go hand in hand or else the saturation population will drop and we will resource droughts for some people. I strongly believe that without regulating both factors, population and resources, we can never produce an effective population control method. Obviously regulation control does not mean that each person can only have so many gallons of gas per day, but a national goal has to be set and met. After getting our resource use goal, we can then determine how many people can live under that resource goal and make actions accordingly. If the population is not threatening the stability of the community, influential campaigns will be more effective. If the population is threatening the stability of the community, harsher methods should be used. It will be completely dynamic based on the situation on hand. I greatly prefer this because it should not go against individual rights unless we are in great crisis because we will be looking at birth rates from a national level. If one person has 14 kids and 14 other families have one less kid then the average goal, we do not have a problem on a national level. That brings me to my opinion on this issue. An increase of 10 children is not large on a global or even national level but the questions are whether she is the norm, we have the resources to handle that increase if it is the norm, and whether she as an individual can support her children. On the national level, our population (USA) is increasing. For every woman having 5+ children, we do not seem to have 3 families having only one or even no children. But that is a different issue. If she can not pay for more children, then I am against handing it money to her within our current system. If you are under welfare and show no signs of coming off, no extra money should be given for having an excessive number of children (5+ being excessive). If you are financially stable with 14 kids and then hit a roadblock and need to go to welfare, that is a different story. All in all, I don't really care. Most people don't have 14 children and the extra money given to her won't effect me but I can see how this can be a problem if this happens to often. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-10-2009, 03:14 PM	#133
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I guess people are mad b/c they feel she's being rewarded for mental illnesss and nutty behavior. That's my guess. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

02-10-2009, 03:20 PM	#134
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	If that's why they're mad they should probably get over it. The world is full of nutjobs. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-10-2009, 03:22 PM	#135
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	"Get Over It" - the Eagles I turn on the tube and what do I see A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me" They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves Victim of this, victim of that Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat Get over it Get over it All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit Get over it, get over it You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash But you might feel better if I gave you some cash The more I think about it, Old Billy was right Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight You don't want to work, you want to live like a king But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing Get over it Get over it If you don't want to play, then you might as well split Get over it, Get over it It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak You're makin' the most of your losin' streak Some call it sick, but I call it weak You drag it around like a ball and chain You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down Complain about the present and blame it on the past I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass Get over it Get over it All this bitchin' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit Get over it, get over it Get over it Get over it It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit Get over it, get over it __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

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