Deadly Swine Flu Outbreak

[Griff]

Glad to hear he's doing well.

[jinx]

Hey merc, can you confirm/deny that the swine flu vaccine is using squalene as an adjuvant? Thanks in advance...

A study linking squalene, as experimental vaccine adjuvant, to individuals with the clinical signs of Gulf War syndrome was published in 2002. The published findings strongly suggest that the squalene contaminated vaccines could be responsible for the Gulf War Syndrome symptoms seen in the study group, and recommended that a large scale epidemiological study be performed to verify or correct this.[4] Despite repeated assurances that the vaccine was safe and necessary, a U.S. Federal Judge ruled that there was good cause to believe it was harmful, and he ordered the Pentagon to stop administering it in October 2004.[5]

[TheMercenary]

You can do your own research:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Sounds like a sensationalized blame game to me.

[TheMercenary]

Since I got 6 of the shots before they were given to the troops at large I would call bull shit on it. But hey, I am just one person.

I never got GWS.

But wait. I never went to the First Gulf War. So is it only the people who got the shots and then were deployed? or did you have to get the shots only if you were deployed? and so if people who got the vaccine and did not deploy never got the disease, how would you account for that?

[jinx]

You can do your own research

Yes, I can. I thought maybe you'd know though. Not interested in opinion...

[Aliantha]

TIWGTGWS? (thought I was going to gulf war syndrome)

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by jinx

Yes, I can. I thought maybe you'd know though. Not interested in opinion...

All I can tell you is that every person who got it, in my experience, about 20 people or so, were deployed. We all got the same vaccines. About 40 who never deployed to the Gulf. None of us who did not deploy got the disease. Among the other, they got it in some degree, some much worse than others. Some were medically boarded from the Army because of it, others carried on. All of them were exposed to the areas that had either chemical weapons burning or the burning oil fields. That is the extent of my experience.

No conclusive studies have shown that people who got the vaccine got GWS who did not also deploy, which blows the theory out of the water that it was only vaccine related.

I am not willing to jump on “your band wagon”.

[jinx]

I don't think you understood my question...

Hey merc, can you confirm/deny that the swine flu vaccine is using squalene as an adjuvant? Thanks in advance...

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by jinx

Seems like the more effective/less abused antibiotic route would make more sense than iffy vaccines then. Swine flu vax didn't work out too well last time, what with it killing more people than the flu and all...

Good info. ( re: the link )

I do worry about vaccine.

They say people that have asthma or other lung conditions should get the shot. However I seem to have a better physical constitution for eliminating these things out of my body naturally. ( 99.9% of the time )

A couple years ago my bronchitis would not go away. I think I coughed for a year. My doctor would not give me antibiotics because I didn't have a fever. ( I never run fevers )

When I went to the pulmonologist he thought I had something serious because I could barely move the spirograph but the image tests were clear. He gave me antibiotics and an inhailer and I was healed after awhile.


Usually things don't hang on to me like that. I don't know where the asthma thing came from or why it developed after getting bronchitis twice.
I don't use the inhailer now.

SO they say people with lung problems SHOULD get the vaccine. I keep wondering if a past lung problem means me. The biggest part of me tells me NOT to get the shot. If I didn't die then I probably won't die this time.

I keep running this stuff through my head.
sorry for all that...it just spilled out

[Aliantha]

I haven't ever had a flu shot, and I don't intend to get one for swine flu either. I am of the belief that you're probably better off without it, but it's a personal health choice. If others want to do it, it's up to them.

[jinx]

New-age Vaccine Adjuvants: Friend or Foe?

A major unsolved challenge in adjuvant development is how to achieve a potent adjuvant effect while avoiding reactogenicity or toxicity.3 Most newer human adjuvants including MF59 (this is the one in the swine flu vaccine, just fyi),4 ISCOMS,5 QS21,6 AS02,7 and AS048 have substantially higher local reactogenicity and systemic toxicity than alum. Even alum, despite being FDA-approved, has significant adverse effects including injection site pain, inflammation, and lymphadenopathy, and less commonly injection-site necrosis, granulomas, or sterile abscess.9
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Because of frequent adverse reactions, the major human use of oil-in-water emulsions has been in therapeutic cancer and HIV vaccines29 although Adjuvant 65 was previously used in a prophylactic influenza vaccine.

Although potent, such adjuvants induced severe local reactions in some recipients.33


Originally, Syntex adjuvant (containing squalene oil, a non-ionic surfactant, poloxamer L121, and threonyl muramyl dipeptide) was developed as a replacement for CFA.39 However, this adjuvant proved too toxic for human use40 and Chiron subsequently developed MF59 adjuvant as an alternative.


Because of excessive reactogenicity and/or toxicity, the current version of MF59 used in an adjuvanted influenza vaccine (FLUAD) registered in Italy does not contain MTP but instead just squalene oil and surfactants.43,44 Published data suggests addition of MF59 only induces a modest (about 25%) increase in antibody levels in the elderly and no difference in younger individuals when compared to unadjuvanted influenza vaccine.4,45 Furthermore, there was little evidence that MF59 is antigen-sparing for influenza vaccines, since the same antigen dose is required for MF59 as for the unadjuvanted vaccine.4,45


Limitations of MF59. On the negative side, MF59, like all other oil-in-water adjuvants, is associated with major increases in injection site pain and reactogenicity.4 Another concern with squalene oil is its ability to induce chronic inflammatory arthritis in susceptible animal models.48 Susceptibility to squalene arthritis is genetically determined, raising the risk that adjuvants based on squalene oil may also induce or exacerbate inflammatory arthritis in genetically susceptible humans.48

[skysidhe]

More about Squalene oil.

Squalene oil is used in vaccines
According to Matsumoto, today, “Squalene adjuvants are a key ingredient in a whole new generation of vaccines intended for mass immunization around the globe. Squalene is not just a molecule found in a knee or elbow - it is found throughout the nervous system and the brain.” When injected in the body, the immune system attacks it as an enemy to be eliminated. Eating and digesting squalene isn’t a problem. But injecting it “galvanize(s) the immune system into attacking it, which can produce self-destructive cross reactions against the same molecule in the places where it occurs naturally in the body - and where it is critical to the health of the nervous system.” Once self-destruction begins, it doesn’t stop as the body keeps making the molecule that the immune system is trained to attack and destroy,
It is a dangerous additive and should be banned

[ZenGum]

Here are some up to date statistics, but they are all about South Australia.

We have had 6842 confirmed cases of H1N1 2009 influenza A (sounds much more scientific when I say it that way, doesn't it?) AKA swine flu.

There have been 12 people who have died with the disease. However, at least nine of involved "significant" other health problems - bone cancer, emphysema, etc.

6842 / 12 = 570.

That is a one in 570 chance of dying from swine flu, if you get it. That's 0.175%. That is less than the usual 0.2% for regular seasonal flu.

Of course, if you are fit and healthy, it might be more accurate to say 6842 / 3 (three otherwise healthy people died) = 2280.

One in 2,280 chance for a healthy person to die from swine flu if they get it. That is 0.04% chance.

Presumably, there have been quite a few people who had swine flu but were never tested. So if that 6,842 is actually, I dunno, 10,000 ... fuckit.

I will still be washing my hands before eating, and if I get sick I will visit the doctor, but I'd do that anyway.

As you were.

[classicman]

Sounds like just more media hype - scare tactics too.
Who "profits" from this? Thats what I want to know.

[Clodfobble]

The pharmaceutical companies that produce the vaccine.