Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

Originally Posted by jinx

God forbid you 3 ever shut the fuck up with your bickering bullshit thread ruining crap. Fucking assholes.

You can always ignore us....or just me.

IMO, the fucking assholes are those who will deny the facts or who will claim they can make informed decisions based on limited or selected facts...and I will continue to point that out.

Originally Posted by classicman

I am stating my opinion based upon the facts as we have them.
Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it is in America is inappropriate.

That will never ever be ok with me - Ever. What bothers me is that it is ok with you and apparently some others.

So you have enough facts to make an informed decision.

Well, I dont have enough facts to make an informed (or emotional?) decision...so you put words in my mouth again that the Asst Principals actions are "ok with me".

When did I say it was ok? I said ...we dont all the facts and it may have been poor judgment or not. We havent heard from the Asst Principal....we dont know anything about the students or the school. We do know that at least three of the kids (w/ the bandannas probably violated the school dress code).

But I do think it is great that you keep highlighting his name...making a point of what, I still dont know...other than you have pre-judged his actions based on limited information.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

You are just basing your views on strong ideals. If you ran that school, what would you do to stop the violence? Telling them to get a grip on their school doesn't say much. I just assume you mean cultural sensitivity training.

Sensitivity training? Hell no. The proper response is to quit worrying about everyone's fucking feelings and start working in the world of actions.

White kid attacks a mexican kid for wearing a mexican flag shirt? Press charges on the white kid.

Mexican kid attacks a white kid for wearing an american flag shirt?
Press charges against the mexican kid.

A purple kid attacks a polk a dot kid for having the wrong color dots?
Press charges against the aggressor.

If the school administration has such a weak grasp on keeping the school safe for people to learn then the entire fucking administration should be shown the door so someone competent can be brought in to deal with assholes who break the law regardless of their heritage.

[skysidhe]

Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA, said the students are protected under California Education Code 48950, which prohibits schools from enforcing a rule subjecting a high school student to disciplinary sanctions solely on the basis of conduct that, when engaged outside of campus, is protected by the First Amendment.
If the school could point to previous incidents sparked by students who wore garments with American flags, they could argue that the flag is likely to lead to "substantial disruption," Volokh said.
"If, for example, there had been fights over similar things at past events, if there had been specific threats made. But if [school officials] just say, 'Well, we think it might be offensive to people,' that's generally speaking not enough."
Volokh said the students and their parents likely have a winning case on their hands if they decide to take the matter to court.
"Oh yes, it's almost open and shut," he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07...ng-flag-flap/#

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by jinx

God forbid you 3 ever shut the fuck up with your bickering bullshit thread ruining crap. Fucking assholes.

word. to your mamma


don't you guys ever get sick of it?

I mean, seriously. I'm considering running for moderator this January with my platform being only that I will bring the three of you to heel or ban you.

Every mildly interesting topic that comes up becomes a pissing match between redux, merc, and classic....with the occasional spex, lookout, shaw, tw, UG mixed in. But it's the same goddamned unreadable argument carried from one topic to the next.

RUINS my cellar experience. I know I'm not alone in this. can I get an AMEN?

FUCK

[squirell nutkin]

AMEN Brother Jim!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I think where Redux gets a slanging in things like this is we don't hear him bitching hard enough at offenses of this kind. And he doesn't seem all that ready to pick up the clue.

The incident does forcibly recall Twain's aphorism about idiots, and then school boards. Not what you'd call the newest of problems.

Jim, Jim: can't you understand that "reasonable" is when hard leftism dies altogether and soft leftism moves rightward to a more sensible habit? We libertarians get this. Now what -- is the rest of the world dead? Or just slave-minded? Should they be?? This is not more than they need, you know. Just more than they thought to get.

We have values. Some people think we oughtn't, and that is visible here as they flail at us. It is grotesque to see men of forty or fifty whose moral thinking has not advanced beyond about age fifteen -- particularly with regard to property rights. (To be a socialist -- there are no right-wing socialists, nor conservative ones; that leaves the Left -- you have to in essence abandon the idea of property, and insist upon some "right" to take, either in your name or with your own hands.)

UT can ban me anytime he wants.

Merc can go back to his Nazi characterizations and the whores and cunts in Congress

UG can rant about the Obama socialists and gun control leading to genocide and the sub-adult Democrats

Classic can bitch about govt data being biased and declaring people guilty until proven innocent....who needs all the facts.

God forbid any of the above should be challenged.

And all will be right with the Cellar!

ps....but until he does ban me....I'm gonna have my fun exposing the ignorance where and when I see it.

[lumberjim]

why don't you ban your face?

Originally Posted by lumberjim

why don't you ban your face?

I like my face.

Sorry if you and your queen been dont.

[lumberjim]

we don't know you

and we don't owe you.

but if you see us around, I got something else to show you

Originally Posted by lumberjim

we don't know you

and we don't owe you.

but if you see us around, I got something else to show you

I'm more of a golden oldies kind of guy, but i guess thats better than Merc wanting to challenge me to a duel rather than engage in a moderated discussion.

[lumberjim]

the point I was making was that the dynamic that goes on between the Politicos (political posters)... (not just you..I don't know you... I don't read your posts....) is such that one knows that it is the same scenario replayed over and over again.

Here's what happens:

Someone posts a topic...any topic.

There are maybe 1-2 pages of casual discussion about it, and possibly some divergence of opinion that people discuss and toss different view points around.

Then a 'Politco' posts an opinion which will invariably include some non funny attempt at an acerbic comment about the opposing 'team' .... and then the thread will jump 3 pages in 11 minutes and consist of nothing but the unattractive side of a bitter argument between what surely must be estranged lovers.

SO, it's not all about you, Redux. as I said....it's the part you play over and over again. you all dance for each other. I, for one am not amused or entertained by it. And really, I like to be amused and entertained.

Thanks for the clarification.

I dont deny my role in what many see as disruptive discussions...but I will continue to respond aggressively to name calling and personal attacks (socialist scumbag) and misrepresentations of my posts (somehow I favor rights for terrorists over citizens or I support the actions of the school principal) or I "failed" because my opinion counters another posters.

Thats my position and I stand by it.

But I would have no problem at all with the moderators taking a more active role to minimize those distractions and disruptions...to warn folks against name calling.... or to tell posters to stick to the facts and one's own opinion and not disparage another posters opinion...or to remind posters that when asked for a cite, they should provide a cite and not respond by saying "prove me wrong"

Do it on a level playing field and I'm good.

And I am still ready to engage in a moderated discussion with Merc, Classic or even UG....anytime.

You might be surprised. It might not only be entertaining and amusing..but informative as well.

[skysidhe]

Like I said in the drug war thread. If you guys could start your own constitutional rights thread then other people could participate.

It is intolerably annoying to see the same single issue over and over again ( unresolved )