Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY - Page 9

Lamplighter · 08-09-2010, 10:41 AM

Remember:

Pearl Harbor
The Armenian Massacre
The Chinese massacre of 1871
The Massacre at Wounded Knee
The Massacre at Mountain Meadows

Merc: Where is the line drawn to separate actions of a few from hatred of the entire group ?

Attempting to demean an entire group by hatred of the few is futile tactic, whether it be in religion or in war.

Spexxvet · 08-09-2010, 11:01 AM

the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre of August 24, 1572

Lamplighter · 08-09-2010, 11:53 AM

Hey, let's make the list longer...

The Granada massacre - 1066 CE
The St Brice's Day massacre - 1002 CE
The Massacre of Thessaloniki - 390 CE
The Menai Massacre- 61 CE

And don't forget all Students because of the Columbine Massacre

Sundae · 08-09-2010, 10:11 AM

Manchester again, and Deal

Sundae · 08-09-2010, 10:15 AM

Baltic Exchange, City of London (that's the square mile of trading, inside London itself - like Wall Street but bigger and older)
Enniskillen.

classicman · 08-09-2010, 10:19 AM

Grrrrrrrrrr

Addressed last night

Sundae · 08-09-2010, 10:24 AM

Anyway, back to Neil Gaiman...
Nah, I'd best just start a thread. His world of mythology and literature and classical references does not sit well here.

Happy Monkey · 08-09-2010, 10:35 AM

The "Ramadan" issue of "Sandman" fits this thread well... Written during the HWBush Gulf War, I read it for the first time around the WBush Gulf War.

Shawnee123 · 08-09-2010, 02:39 PM

Oh for pete's sake. Where are you getting bin Laden died?

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT Osama bin Laden is dead. Even snopes says it's an ill-advised rumor (undetermined but ridiculous to just think that it's true.) That's a funny thing to hang your hat on, in your ongoing act of putting your fingers in your ears and mumbling "blah blah blah blah" so as not to actually hear anything.

Oh yeah, I know you're ignoring me, but maybe someone else will tell you to find something better for your debate about whether the mosque is appropriate or not (or in your constant match with tw to decide who gets to pee in what spot) than "OSAMA IS DEAD." Whether he is or not is irrelevant to this discussion anyway (though it would be in the interest of extremists and the former Bush admin for us to BELIEVE it...whew, damn, good thing he's dead, right?)

Sigh. I try, I really do...but the ignorance, it stings.

tw, you're right about extremists, and bruce put it in a good way (that it's difficult to discern radicals from regulars, just like say, Catholics)...but this same crap over and over and over... Right about now we need a picture of 9/11 to remind us to hate.

Spexxvet · 08-09-2010, 03:34 PM

Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions, as they all worship the God of Abraham. There shouldn't be houses of worship for any of these religions near ground zero.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-09-2010, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions, as they all worship the God of Abraham. There shouldn't be houses of worship for any of these religions near ground zero.

This point of view sounds more based in atheism than in religion.

Now I'm gonna go beat up on the fat target.

Tw forgets that Osama bin Laden wouldn't have gone anywhere nor become anything without Islam generally. He got positive feedback by the ton lot from the anti-Western sector of Islam. Not Christianity, not Judaism, nor even the Copts, still less the Cathars: he got it from Islam.

Tw's other point of inattention is he believes his personal opinions to be both neutral and natural. Then he tries to tell half the world it should agree they are, in the presence of the half that knows they are not. I'd try and repair that sort of thing if it happened to me...

Undertoad · 08-09-2010, 08:38 PM

Greg Gutfield: I'm building an Islamic gay bar next to the GZ mosque

Quote:

This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.

As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.

The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.

classicman · 08-09-2010, 08:38 PM

Have you not quoted yourself repeated tw? I did it intentionally to mock you.
Even you are not that much a fool not to see that.

And again for the record. I do not listen to nor agree with Limbaugh.
Your extremist views seem to blind you from the truth. Why is it that you cannot see?

classicman · 08-09-2010, 08:41 PM

Next to that Gay bar should be a NOW chapter

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-09-2010, 08:51 PM

And there's another toughie: calculating the desirability of having drunked-up NOW people spilling into the streets. Oyyyy.

08-09-2010, 11:01 AM	#2
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre of August 24, 1572 __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-09-2010, 10:11 AM	#4
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Manchester again, and Deal Attached Images

08-09-2010, 10:15 AM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Baltic Exchange, City of London (that's the square mile of trading, inside London itself - like Wall Street but bigger and older) Enniskillen. Attached Images

08-09-2010, 10:19 AM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Grrrrrrrrrr Addressed last night __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-09-2010, 10:35 AM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The "Ramadan" issue of "Sandman" fits this thread well... Written during the HWBush Gulf War, I read it for the first time around the WBush Gulf War. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-09-2010, 10:41 AM	#1
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Remember: Pearl Harbor The Armenian Massacre The Chinese massacre of 1871 The Massacre at Wounded Knee The Massacre at Mountain Meadows Merc: Where is the line drawn to separate actions of a few from hatred of the entire group ? Attempting to demean an entire group by hatred of the few is futile tactic, whether it be in religion or in war.

08-09-2010, 11:53 AM	#3
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Hey, let's make the list longer... The Granada massacre - 1066 CE The St Brice's Day massacre - 1002 CE The Massacre of Thessaloniki - 390 CE The Menai Massacre- 61 CE And don't forget all Students because of the Columbine Massacre

08-09-2010, 10:24 AM	#7
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Anyway, back to Neil Gaiman... Nah, I'd best just start a thread. His world of mythology and literature and classical references does not sit well here.

08-09-2010, 02:39 PM	#9
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oh for pete's sake. Where are you getting bin Laden died? THERE IS NO PROOF THAT Osama bin Laden is dead. Even snopes says it's an ill-advised rumor (undetermined but ridiculous to just think that it's true.) That's a funny thing to hang your hat on, in your ongoing act of putting your fingers in your ears and mumbling "blah blah blah blah" so as not to actually hear anything. Oh yeah, I know you're ignoring me, but maybe someone else will tell you to find something better for your debate about whether the mosque is appropriate or not (or in your constant match with tw to decide who gets to pee in what spot) than "OSAMA IS DEAD." Whether he is or not is irrelevant to this discussion anyway (though it would be in the interest of extremists and the former Bush admin for us to BELIEVE it...whew, damn, good thing he's dead, right?) Sigh. I try, I really do...but the ignorance, it stings. tw, you're right about extremists, and bruce put it in a good way (that it's difficult to discern radicals from regulars, just like say, Catholics)...but this same crap over and over and over... Right about now we need a picture of 9/11 to remind us to hate. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-09-2010, 03:34 PM	#10
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions, as they all worship the God of Abraham. There shouldn't be houses of worship for any of these religions near ground zero. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-09-2010, 08:38 PM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Have you not quoted yourself repeated tw? I did it intentionally to mock you. Even you are not that much a fool not to see that. And again for the record. I do not listen to nor agree with Limbaugh. Your extremist views seem to blind you from the truth. Why is it that you cannot see? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-09-2010, 08:41 PM	#14
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Next to that Gay bar should be a NOW chapter __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-09-2010, 08:51 PM	#15
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	And there's another toughie: calculating the desirability of having drunked-up NOW people spilling into the streets. Oyyyy. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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