Murdoch Meltdown

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I care. A lot of people here, especially women care.

Newspapers aren't just product like any other. They are a large part of what forms/informs opinion and creates the cultural zeitgeist. I don't have a problem with seeing tits. I do have a problem with newspapers having a page dedicated to topless shots. And the language used to describe women is often despicable.

The rest of us who read them don't care.... sorry.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Of course you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be reading tabloids in the first place.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Of course you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be reading tabloids in the first place.

I just pick it up as a side note on other websites.... I know what it is. If some British Tart wants to show her tits on a major website newspaper I have no problem with that. I could give a shit what the moral police of this forum opines about it....

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

If some British Tart wants to show her tits on a major website newspaper I have no problem with that.

That's exactly what Dana was talking about, not tits.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Dana's point was how Murdoch's tabloids treat women.

Originally Posted by DanaC

And the language used to describe women is often despicable.

Your use of the word tarts, carries on that tabloid mentality.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Dana's point was how Murdoch's tabloids treat women.


Your use of the word tarts, carries on that tabloid mentality.

Great, so explain your use of "tarts in my house"....

So basically your mother, your daughters, your nieces, you female family members are off limits to my comments now?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Great, so explain your use of "tarts in my house"....

To bring to your attention how insulting it is, when you seem to have no problem with doing it to others.

So basically your mother, your daughters, your nieces, you female family members are off limits to my comments now?

They are all off limits when it comes to that shit, all women... and men too for that matter. There is no progress possible, until people stop that name calling and discuss issues.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

To bring to your attention how insulting it is, when you seem to have no problem with doing it to others.
They are all off limits when it comes to that shit, all women... and men too for that matter. There is no progress possible, until people stop that name calling and discuss issues.

I am completely open to discussing the "issues", don't try to drag my family into it, which is what you just did, making it personal with me. I have never had that problem with you and don't want to start something now, unless you care to go there, than I am game. You want to make it personal, well go right ahead....

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yeah, you can call them whatever you want. You can be a walking, talking, tabloid, it says so in the Constitution. Just be aware what it says about you.

There are no females in my house, so good luck with that.

[ZenGum]

Who cares, it sold paper, and it is a business.

That sort of short term narrow-focused thinking is the cause of about half of all the problems in the world today. Really.

"Who cares, it sold paper, and it is a business" equally justifies the phone hacking, which aside from the outrage, has destroyed the paper.

This tendency to focus on wining the short-term transactions at the expense of the long-term health of the process and standards is at the root of the financial crisis and the utter decay of political process in so many countries - especially the USA. You don't need me to remind you how often it has been said the "politics is broken". This is what broke it.

Now, about those titties...

[Trilby]

Nice sum-up, Zen.

[DanaC]

yeah. I liked that post a lot.

What's interesting now, is how the hacking side is starting to expand out to the entire tabloid press, but the corruption and close relationship between newspapers, police and government, is remaining a Murdoch/NI issue.

There's a lot of noise coming from some sectors now saying that it's not just Murdoch it's all of them, so we should stop focussing on t he Murdochs. But they're attempting to conflate two distinct issues: one of illegal journalistic practices (all apparently guilty) and one of corruption at the heart of government and law enforcement (so far only News International implicated).

Interesting to see where this goes. The PM is under pressure to explain what was discussed at private social gatherings attended by him and others in his cabinet during the time that decisions were being made about the BSkyB deal.

[Aliantha]

In a corruption case, does the payer or the payee bare the burden of guilt? In my very limited knowledge based on a political corruption trial here recently, the person in the position of power receiving the bribe is the guilty party. The person attempting to or proceeding with it is still guilty but less so.

Hmmm...if the world were black and white that'd be a simple one wouldn't it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

In a corruption case, does the payer or the payee bare the burden of guilt?

A most interesting question because it probably varies even by country. And unknown if such laws are considered by the ICC.

[Aliantha]

We don't really have mainstream tabloids here in Oz. I feel very left out of this discussion. lol