Terri Schiavo's Parents Seek Divorce on Her Behalf - Page 9

mrnoodle · 03-23-2005, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

How many "again"s? The issue has been reviewed and rereviewed since 2000, and the same conclusion has been reached each time.

yes. and maybe it's time to let it go. but the one thing that's still not clear is what Terri's wishes were. I guess since there's no way to really know (short of taking Michael's word for it, which I'm loath to do), it has to be removed from the argument.

But that sucks. gah. no more posts from me on this today. it bums me out.

Troubleshooter · 03-23-2005, 05:06 PM

This is crazy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo

OnyxCougar · 03-23-2005, 06:02 PM

I am so tired of hearing TW prattle on about "religious extremists".

It seems like the only relgious people who are "extremists" are the ones that disagree with the way he thinks about a topic.

Without knowing any more about this than the average person, I think the law should uphold Michael's right as her husband.

And I'm filing a living will tomorrow.

tw · 03-23-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

I am so tired of hearing TW prattle on about "religious extremists".

Damn. I got replaced by Neil Diamond. Oh well. Can't stay on top of the charts forever. Or maybe I should try harder.

You don't like the expression "religious extremist"? Then provide a better word. But religious extremists are a core constituency of the George Jr support block, are the people he brought to George Sr's winning election, and are now a most powerful political force in Washington. No way around this fact. Terri Schiavo is the litmus test for religious extremists to target their enemies. Even Democrats are rushing to appease these power brokers. Washington has changed that much; become that adversarial.

Reality - the new politics in Washington is not going to change. The religious extremists are doing even what the Pope has decreed. Remove those who are contrary to religious doctrine.

warch · 03-23-2005, 07:40 PM

I'm anticipating the joyous day when caring nuturer, uncle Jeb rolls a floppy pile of red white and blue Shiavo out on his campaign stage. Dead or alive, it really dont matter. Yahoo! Think of the coverage!

Kitsune · 03-23-2005, 07:47 PM

Dead or alive, it really dont matter. Yahoo! Think of the coverage!

That is what most seem to think: Politically, this is a disaster for Democrats. Live or die, the Democrats voted for murder. I'm sure we'll be hearing about this for years.

Undertoad · 03-23-2005, 07:52 PM

Once it's over it'll be dropped, immediately, not to be heard of again.

Reason: the people are split 60/30 in favor of letting her die. (10% confused.) The assumption is that the 30% are issue-driven and will vote on the basis of this single item. It'll stick in their craw. The only way the 60% will vote on the basis of this issue is if it remains prominent at election time.

Kitsune · 03-23-2005, 07:54 PM

Reason: the people are split 60/30 in favor of letting her die.

Are you SERIOUS? The way the news has been portraying it, I would have thought it would have been the other way around!

Happy Monkey · 03-23-2005, 08:45 PM

Here's the article. Gives me hope that there are still some issues that massively slanted coverage can't sway.

Undertoad · 03-23-2005, 09:10 PM

What a makeup job on the graphics on that story eh?

Tonight there was video of Jeb telling a crowd that there might be evidence she's in a "minimally conscious" state. The lawyer for the parents was on to allege that Terri had "never been examined" (blatantly false, see CT scan above and there have been flat EEGs as well). Ladies and Gentlemen, the "news".

Troubleshooter · 03-23-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Here's the article. Gives me hope that there are still some issues that massively slanted coverage can't sway.

Nice. Real nice...

"One memo circulating in the Senate last week touted how the "pro-life base will be excited by the issue."

Republican leaders strongly disavowed that, but on Friday, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay told the Family Research Council, a leading Christian group, that the Schiavo case was sent by heaven to focus attention on the helpless.

"One thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to help elevate the visibility of what's going on in America," said DeLay, R-Texas.

He also described the stakes behind the Schiavo showdown as personal.

"This is exactly the issue that's going on in America, the attacks against the conservative movement, against me and against many others.""

BigV · 03-23-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

Dead or alive, it really dont matter. Yahoo! Think of the coverage!

That is what most seem to think: Politically, this is a disaster for Democrats. Live or die, the Democrats voted for murder. I'm sure we'll be hearing about this for years.

Yeah, sure. Some will spin it this way. Here's an alternate spin.

Democrats voted their conscience. Republicans voted as they were told.

Or, Democrats voted for the rule of law, and Republicans voted to ignore and override the rule of law.

spin is spin, only the volume and quantity matter.

vsp · 03-24-2005, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

I am so tired of hearing TW prattle on about "religious extremists".

It seems like the only relgious people who are "extremists" are the ones that disagree with the way he thinks about a topic.

Terri Schiavo's parents are being represented, with their approval, by a man who's openly stated the following gems:

"Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It's that simple.... Our goal is a Christian Nation... we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules."

"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."

This is the guy who's helping to coordinate the Schindlers' activism and lobbying efforts and who's speaking on their behalf on talk radio and such.

Shall I go on?

Brett's Honey · 03-24-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

(dammit, get a living will people)

Hopefully, this is the one good thing that will come out of all of this. I know it has made me realize just how very important it is to have a living will. Surely most everyone in the country is aware of this case, and hopefully most everyone will get their living wills taken care of!

OnyxCougar · 03-24-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by vsp

Terri Schiavo's parents are being represented, with their approval, by a man who's openly stated the following gems:

"Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It's that simple.... Our goal is a Christian Nation... we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules."

"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."

This is the guy who's helping to coordinate the Schindlers' activism and lobbying efforts and who's speaking on their behalf on talk radio and such.

Shall I go on?

Who is the guy that said that? We need to shoot his ass before he can hurt people.

I'm not suggesting there aren't religious extremists in this country. I'm saying that I'm tired of every single issue that is on this board being turned into one of either (1) religious extremism or (2) MBA stupidity.

Yes, MBAs have issues. WE ALL KNOW THIS. Yes, there are kooks out there. WE ALL KNOW THIS. However, not all religious people are extremists, as TW would imply. Not all MBAs are stupid, either.

I understand Tee's frustration. Why can't he just say "Insert religious extremist speech here" or "Insert MBA speech here"? If I wanted to read the economist, I'd get a subscription.

03-23-2005, 05:06 PM	#122
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Terry on Wiki This is crazy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

03-23-2005, 06:02 PM	#123
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	I am so tired of hearing TW prattle on about "religious extremists". It seems like the only relgious people who are "extremists" are the ones that disagree with the way he thinks about a topic. Without knowing any more about this than the average person, I think the law should uphold Michael's right as her husband. And I'm filing a living will tomorrow. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

03-23-2005, 08:45 PM	#129
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Here's the article. Gives me hope that there are still some issues that massively slanted coverage can't sway. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-23-2005, 07:40 PM	#125
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I'm anticipating the joyous day when caring nuturer, uncle Jeb rolls a floppy pile of red white and blue Shiavo out on his campaign stage. Dead or alive, it really dont matter. Yahoo! Think of the coverage!

03-23-2005, 07:47 PM	#126
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Dead or alive, it really dont matter. Yahoo! Think of the coverage! That is what most seem to think: Politically, this is a disaster for Democrats. Live or die, the Democrats voted for murder. I'm sure we'll be hearing about this for years.

03-23-2005, 07:52 PM	#127
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Once it's over it'll be dropped, immediately, not to be heard of again. Reason: the people are split 60/30 in favor of letting her die. (10% confused.) The assumption is that the 30% are issue-driven and will vote on the basis of this single item. It'll stick in their craw. The only way the 60% will vote on the basis of this issue is if it remains prominent at election time.

03-23-2005, 07:54 PM	#128
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Reason: the people are split 60/30 in favor of letting her die. Are you SERIOUS? The way the news has been portraying it, I would have thought it would have been the other way around!

03-23-2005, 09:10 PM	#130
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	What a makeup job on the graphics on that story eh? Tonight there was video of Jeb telling a crowd that there might be evidence she's in a "minimally conscious" state. The lawyer for the parents was on to allege that Terri had "never been examined" (blatantly false, see CT scan above and there have been flat EEGs as well). Ladies and Gentlemen, the "news".

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