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11-27-2011, 09:15 AM | #1 |
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Good questions. I don't know the answer. Other than I want to see it end eventually. I don't have a lot of faith in the people of Afghanistan to form any kind of government. They just don't have the infrastructure to run a country of that scope, size, and diversity in any unified way(IMHO). What ever happens I see it returning to the same thing that existed before we got there and without the support of Pakistan to keep drones or other forces on their border it will all go back to the post stone age. Just as before.
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11-28-2011, 12:49 AM | #2 |
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Just noting pretty much complete agreement. I'd expand that the lack of "infrastructure to run a country" includes regular things like roads and communications, but also social infrastructure like established systems of government, a tradition of an honest civil service, enough people with the right abilities in the right positions and crucially, a widespread social habit of having and obeying a central government.
These things are not impossible, but these are generation-type timescales. I doubt anyone wants to hang around for that long. So, um, yeah, obviously we should mumblemumblemumblemumblemumble.
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12-02-2011, 06:50 AM | #3 |
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Pakistan Was Consulted Before Fatal Hit, U.S. Says
Deadly Border Strike Came After Forces Were Told Area Was Clear of Pakistani Troops, Officials Say http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
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12-07-2011, 09:39 PM | #5 |
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So you choose to believe a country like Pakistan over the US?
..... Makes sense for your recent positions....
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George W Bush was handed a plum years ago when the Iranians
demanded that the Americans must leave Iran in 1911. Now Obama gets one too.... one less excuse to stay in Afghanistan This one is different tho, Karzai makes a boo-boo, but plants it on Obama. It's called "politics is all local" NY Times MATTHEW ROSENBERG Published: January 8, 2012 Karzai’s Ultimatum Complicates U.S. Exit Strategy Quote:
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Karzai must understand that if the foreign (well, US) forces walk away now, he'll be up agaisnt the wall inside a month or two. Yet if he doesn't act tough and independent, he won't last long either way.
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I agree. This place will go back to it's feudal ways in short order. The best they can hope for is some sense of normalcy in the larger cities. But for the rest of the place I have little hope.
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01-12-2012, 07:56 PM | #10 |
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I would like to make one thing clear, this is not an embarrassing example of what might happen when security is handed over to the afghans. It is just what will happen. We need to get over it and move on, or just plan on staying.
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01-12-2012, 08:17 PM | #11 |
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my take exactly....
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This is their legacy we must live with, And pay for. The current recession is a $1 trillion debt we are just beginning to pay - Mission Accomplished. At least another $2 trillion in debts yet to be realized. It does not include the bills for Afghanistan. And the $billlions given to Pakistan so that our Army is not trapped in Afghanistan (think Stalingrad or Syracuse). |
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01-12-2012, 08:29 PM | #13 |
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I'm hoping we embedded enough tactical nukes for remote detonation.
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01-12-2012, 08:31 PM | #14 |
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As long as they are in Pakistan I would agree whole heartedly.
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No. This happened when we tried to give a country ruled by religious zealots democracy. They couldn't handle it.
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