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Old 04-18-2019, 05:39 PM   #1
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Mueller Report

You can get it here... https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

This is what it looks like redacted...
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Old 04-19-2019, 02:46 AM   #2
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Now maybe we can move on to more pressing matters like spying with no legal probable cause.
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Old 04-19-2019, 07:26 AM   #3
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Report comes out. Everybody ignores what they don't want to know.

"Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

The Russians were invested in wrecking our election. "The investigation ... identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign," the report states. "Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency ... the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election activities." https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019...7951555554837/

Mueller refers to 10 times where Trump asked people around him to engage in activities which could be obstruction.

The only coordination we know about was Trump asking the Russians on national television to interfere.

We are left with the same political situation. I think Pelosi will prevent a vote on impeachment in the hopes that 2020 goes ok.
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:53 AM   #4
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...Mueller refers to 10 times where Trump asked people around him to engage in activities which could be obstruction...
Why would you guess that they didn't indict? If there was an indictment or recommendation in the report, could Barr have hidden it without Mueller leaking or holding a press conference exposing that?

Same question - Rosenstein?

What would Mueller have to gain by not indicting if evidence exists? Being the hero of 150 million people that hate Trump?

A lot of people here are chasing Elvis. The chances of a reversal here are waning.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:17 AM   #5
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Why would you guess that they didn't indict?
He believes that authority lies with Congress.
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:15 AM   #6
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Now maybe we can move on to more pressing matters like spying with no legal probable cause.
FISA found probable cause, or there wouldn't have been an investigation
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:30 AM   #7
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FISA found probable cause, or there wouldn't have been an investigation
Yes, that's the legal procedure. We'll see.
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Old 04-20-2019, 08:43 AM   #8
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Yes, that's the legal procedure. We'll see.
And how can you see without an investigation?
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Old 04-20-2019, 11:16 AM   #9
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FISA found probable cause, or there wouldn't have been an investigation
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And how can you see without an investigation?
A red herring.

FISA standards are not the same as for criminal cases. Developing information to meet FISA probable cause standards can begin with guilt by association even though that association may turn out to be benign. This allows for the target of a politically motivated investigation to be investigated indirectly, via investigation of FISA qualifying associates, in hopes of uncovering (which hunt) damaging collaterally obtained information about the political target even when the FISA requirements for a direct investigation into that person aren't met.

That's why the investigation was into "Russian Interference" and not Presidential collusion. It enables an indictment of the political target, in the court of public opinion, while providing plausible deniability of political motivation. The true nature of the investigation is revealed; however, when adversaries of the political target set aside the investigation's unactionable findings to pursue their own investigations.

FISA has changed substantially since its inception. It's now the political sword of Damocles.
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:06 PM   #10
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And how can you see without an investigation?
Yes, that's exactly my point. Not another investigation of Trump, a special council to investigate how and when the Mueller independent council was launched.

William Barr, Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump, Devin Nunes and a few million citizens would like some more information on this. You wouldn't deny the American people transparency, would you? Of course this is all crazy talk. We know how the Mueller investigation was launched by the testimony of those involved. They wouldn't lie, would they?

All this is just ridiculous, I know. But with all this investigation going on, what's the harm? Just for giggles? If you've got nothing to hide you have nothing to be concerned with, right?
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:12 PM   #11
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Now maybe we can move on to more pressing matters like spying with no legal probable cause.
Thats been going on years and I doubt it will ever stop....
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:34 AM   #12
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Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
The same would be true for any one of us. It is a basic logic problem: it is impossible to prove a negative.

That's one of the reasons why conspiracy theory takes hold.

It's ALWAYS fully possible to have any number of unanswered questions - questions that, even, can NEVER be answered.

But it's important to remember at all times: unanswered questions are not a proof of anything.
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:10 AM   #13
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Poll: Church membership in US plummets over past 20 years

NEW YORK (AP) — The percentage of U.S. adults who belong to a church or other religious institution has plunged by 20 percentage points over the past two decades, hitting a low of 50% last year, according to a new Gallup poll. Among major demographic groups, the biggest drops were recorded among Democrats and Hispanics.
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Aha! There's your collusion.

Let's see them prove otherwise.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:30 AM   #14
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same old, same old

No collusion.

Insufficient evidence to determine obstruction.

Two-plus years, millions spent, dedicated professional investigators = nuthin', nuthin', and nuthin'.

Whole whack of folks ought to be demandin' their money back cuz the First Act blew big steamin' chunks.

Second act: (more) propaganda-makin', impeachment whoop-de-doo.

Third Act: repubs retake the house, Trump keeps the Big Chair for four more.

Epilog: 2024

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So: what's all this public falderol mean? Not a goddamned thing....it's what's goin' on behind the curtain that matters...really & truly.

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Old 04-19-2019, 12:41 PM   #15
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Everyone seems to have forgotten the purpose of this investigation/report.
It's in the title, right on the front page.
Trump is a side show.
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Regardless if you hoped Trump would be found guilty or innocent, the purpose was in the title.
The unstated purpose was to find out how and prevent it in the future.
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