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Old 03-24-2019, 07:24 AM   #1
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An echo was heard:
"Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the president?"
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Old 03-24-2019, 07:30 AM   #2
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If he leaves anything out, why, just ask him specific questions and he'll be glad to tweet replies, one by one.
Which would take until after the next election at least, at 280 characters per.
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Old 03-24-2019, 03:26 PM   #3
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UPDATE: WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department said Sunday that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation found President Donald Trump's campaign not gillcup of conspiring or coordinating with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election.

On obstructing justice, the special counsel found Trump to be covfefe.
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Old 03-24-2019, 04:35 PM   #4
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Yah, but...yah, but...yah, but...

We don't like him. So we have to keep fishing.

Let's just keep watching the show. It's just getting good now.

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Old 03-24-2019, 06:27 PM   #5
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We'll see whether or not this gives Trump a false sense of security. If he doesn't get that wall started before the next election, it's still going to be - Hit the road Jack.

MUSICAL INTERLUDE:

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Old 03-24-2019, 08:12 PM   #6
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This guy has an amazing ability to do so many questionable and unethical things. And always remain just this legal side of that line. Sometimes he is protected by throwing others under the bus.

Last week, Trump was apparently getting nervous. He was throwing shit against the wall to learn what would stick. He was tweeting furiously so many unrelated accusations. Bogus accusations even included renewed attacks on John McCain.

But this is the amazing part. Even subordinates were exonerated. Apparently Trump was not sure if he (or subordinates) had crossed that line. First indications from the Mueller report suggest nobody did - no matter how unethical their actions.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:18 AM   #7
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It was interesting to see Matt Taibbi liken this episode to the media failure on WMDs -- where again, the media bought into what the intelligence agencies had to say, based on what THEY wanted to do.

His piece It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD is remarkably footnoted (with links instead of footnotes)

Taibbi comes out looking good, as one of the lone reporters who was right about both items.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:15 PM   #8
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His piece It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD is remarkably footnoted (with links instead of footnotes)
Wow. THAT is how it's done.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:41 PM   #9
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It's an indictment of the media!
...says the media in an article about the articles about the thing that this article is about also.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:21 PM   #10
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I told myself to trust Mueller's judgement. If he says the Russia "collusion" thing is a non-starter, it's a non-starter.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:20 PM   #11
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It seems like a more recent, and perhaps relevant comparison is that this is the new "Hillary has a 99% chance of winning." It appears that "the media" has a habit of misleading left-leaning voters into shooting themselves in the foot. Which would be a weird thing for "the liberal media" to do. If you thought that "liberal" meant on "the left" side of alignment.
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Old 03-25-2019, 06:01 PM   #12
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Mueller did precisely his job, no more and no less. That's good. What the House chooses/manages to do with that information is still up in the air.

Like most legal questions, it all comes down to definitions, whether it's the word "collusion" or "what the definition of is is." What's indisputable is that the President asked a foreign power on national television to deliver damaging information on his opponent during an election.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:39 PM   #13
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But if you want to win, you must focus on Trump's actual deficiencies, not this kind of flibbity-flabbity*. That's only in my opinion, which is questionable.






*nonsense words possibly invented by Cosby and I apologize
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:52 PM   #14
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This country desperately needs a uniter now. That’s something the top tier of candidates seems unlikely to be.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:21 PM   #15
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But if you want to win, you must focus on Trump's actual deficiencies, not this kind of flibbity-flabbity*. That's only in my opinion, which is questionable.
To me, his relationship with Putin is an actual deficiency. His treatment of women, or mocking the disabled, sure--those I can accept as not necessarily being connected to his role as a politician, much as I personally despise them. But his foreign policy is a real problem. (Insert similar disclaimer about my opinion being questionable, too. )
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