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06-28-2007, 09:13 AM | #1 | |
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The problem is that each time they come to audit us it generally costs us about $5,000. Here is the article from the last audit: http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/...ate/114470.txt Flint, here is the stats that I am referring to. This is also from an a Gun Control group that brags about the decrease in numbers of dealers: http://www.vpc.org/press/0603dealers.htm The reason that I am speaking up is not to draw more attention to my case because honestly we have become a bigger target but to make gun owners and the public aware of what is happening. |
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06-28-2007, 09:30 AM | #2 | |
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06-28-2007, 09:57 AM | #3 |
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It's the "what is happening" part that I'm not getting. What is happening? All I see here is anecdotal evidence and inuendo. Convince me.
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06-28-2007, 10:24 AM | #4 | |
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In our case the 2000 audit was the set up for willful, we had a 2001 audit that produced not violations (however the ATF is now coming back and claiming that they found the missing violations from the 2001 audit), the 2005 audit was the audit that they based their decision to revoke our license besides the fact that we had a 99.6% success rate and the Inspector claiming that we were "one of the best small gun shops" he had inspected. |
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06-28-2007, 10:43 AM | #5 |
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Whether it's a gun shop, an optical shop, or a restaurant, if there are standards that "an authority" says you have to meet, and you don't, you suffer the consequences. The standards for guns shops are in place to prevent things like the Virginia Tech episode and to prevent criminals from obtaining guns. This is like reading an article about a restaurant being closed where the owner says "the health inspector has it out for me. I wash my hands after defecating 99% of the time, and there's only 3 rat poops per thousand in the food I serve" except that most people don't have a problem with shutting down a restaurant that doesn't meet standards.
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06-28-2007, 11:09 AM | #6 |
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06-30-2007, 08:43 PM | #7 |
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06-30-2007, 09:33 PM | #8 |
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I figured you'd have monkey bars, to show off your pythons; the long hair, flowing in the wind, that was just poetic license.
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06-28-2007, 11:15 AM | #9 |
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Thanks, Spexx. That was what I was trying to get at initially. We are subject to very detailed audits, and if we don't meet requirements we have to answer for it. Sure, we have the right to appeal the decision, which Ryan has done. Like you said, there are a multitude of industries that are subject to adhering to the rules of some higher power.
I'm not saying it's not possible that they're picking on this particular shop. It certainly is, but without back stories who knows? It's also possible that the inspectors are doing their job, and missing the crossed t is just one aspect of the things they have to look at. They have to ding you for it; that is their job. You can appeal it, that is your right. It sounds as if you have done so, and successfully. That's good. That's the system we have. But, saying they pick on you because they're out to get you for the sole reason that they don't like guns and you do...it smacks of playing the gun card. It's similar to the race card. Certainly, bias and prejudice are real, but every incident can't be boiled down to "they are out to get me because..."
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06-28-2007, 11:33 AM | #10 |
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Not even close. When they give you a tiny little box for the county and freak when you put down the legal abbreviation, it's bullshit. Or going down a list of questions and answer Y, N or NA and bitch because you didn't write out Yes, No and Not Applicable, is nit picking.
To prevent misuse, they are making sure anyone buying a gun passes the instant background check to try to keep guns away from people that shouldn't have them. For a person to attempt to buy a gun, when they are not allowed, is a federal felony. Yet of the hundreds of thousands of people, that have committed that felony, the feds have procecuted.... ZERO. If this was about actually trying to prevent crime instead of trying to eliminate as many shops as possible, the feds would be enforcing the thousands of laws on the books, instead of this end run of the Constitution.
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